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Post by fc97 on Nov 26, 2013 9:01:07 GMT -5
Filling in is not performing all the duties of... he didn't recruit, manage and coordinate full time.
I'm filling in for a vice president right now, I will not be considered for a vice president job even though things are running smoothly enough. It also doesn't mean I am doing the full duties either.
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Post by burlington on Nov 26, 2013 9:17:18 GMT -5
Here's my list: Jay Bateman - Ball State - A solid defensive coordinator, he's been trained inside a well oil machine that is Lembo's system. If we go after a coordinator, this is the type we should be after. Mike Houston - Lenoir-Rhyne - Has turned a very similar type of school in the bottom of D-II into a national top 15 team. This guy seems to be an up and comer! Jamey Chaldwell - Charleston Southern - Young, dynamic, coach that has turned a doormat Charleston Southern team into a well respected program this year. They have won some good games and seems their lack of scholarships caught up to them in the end. Jim Collins - Duke - Always seems to be on these lists. Not sure why, I would think someone with his tenure would be higher in programs than he is. Brian Scott - Old Dominion - Offensive Coordinator on a team that was built from scratch into success Kerwim Bell - Jacksonville - Does well for 0 scholarships, the worst stadium in the NCAA
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Post by burlington on Nov 26, 2013 9:26:28 GMT -5
As a person who has been close to program during Lembo years, I like Skrosky, Bateman, and Burnham. The issue is that Blank and Lembo did not see eye to eye on some things and I believe Blank was happy when Pete left. I think it will be hard because of that tense relationship for Rich or Jay to get the job...I wish that was not the case, but I think Blank wants to keep the past in the past.
Pete was successful because he acted like a CEO and had a 5 year plan. 1. recruit NC,SC,Georgia, Tampa,Virginia and recruit it well. Elon is not and will never be a place where JC kids end up...2. Culture of winning- WE lost to South Florida 28-14 in 2008 and he kicked the entire staff out of locker room and went crazy on the team for thinking it was ok to lose... set the tone for the rest of the season. 3. breakfast checks, study hall, academic reviews, he was a micro manager but he made the kids accountable for everything. he also made the staff acountable... he even went nuts on the DFO at the time for not having players in the right outfit for a charity event.. attention to detail. I say this because Elon will be successful if they can get a coach who understand the culture of Elon and has a plan to win... I don't think Swep had a plan.. I did not see any consistency in recruiting and culture
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 9:33:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure Swepson filled in for Dana Bible when he was out, and was considered to have done an excellent job. Did a great job according to whom? The NC State coach that was just canned? I don't think that was a valid reference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 10:42:43 GMT -5
As a person who has been close to program during Lembo years, I like Skrosky, Bateman, and Burnham. The issue is that Blank and Lembo did not see eye to eye on some things and I believe Blank was happy when Pete left. I think it will be hard because of that tense relationship for Rich or Jay to get the job...I wish that was not the case, but I think Blank wants to keep the past in the past. Pete was successful because he acted like a CEO and had a 5 year plan. 1. recruit NC,SC,Georgia, Tampa,Virginia and recruit it well. Elon is not and will never be a place where JC kids end up...2. Culture of winning- WE lost to South Florida 28-14 in 2008 and he kicked the entire staff out of locker room and went crazy on the team for thinking it was ok to lose... set the tone for the rest of the season. 3. breakfast checks, study hall, academic reviews, he was a micro manager but he made the kids accountable for everything. he also made the staff acountable... he even went nuts on the DFO at the time for not having players in the right outfit for a charity event.. attention to detail. I say this because Elon will be successful if they can get a coach who understand the culture of Elon and has a plan to win... I don't think Swep had a plan.. I did not see any consistency in recruiting and culture I knew Lembo reasonably well too, at least his organizational skills and mannerisms. From what I know I think the assessment above is right on. When we beat GSU the second time, it was said that his post game locker room speech was up beat and congratulatory, but he also got after the team in some areas, mildly, and took the blame. As in, "it's my fault for not preparing you well enough for a particular task, but neither you or I will make that same mistake twice." I have heard Lembo described as a jerk and an a-hole, indirectly, by some of the players and staff. But I have never heard him described as incapable. One strong validation of the effectiveness of his style, everyone that was asked to move with him to Ball State went, and several of the ones that weren't asked were disappointed that they weren't invited. I know I sound like a Lembo disciple on here some times, and maybe I am, but it's really his style that I admire, not just the man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 12:56:42 GMT -5
Here's my list: Jay Bateman - Ball State - A solid defensive coordinator, he's been trained inside a well oil machine that is Lembo's system. If we go after a coordinator, this is the type we should be after. Mike Houston - Lenoir-Rhyne - Has turned a very similar type of school in the bottom of D-II into a national top 15 team. This guy seems to be an up and comer! Jamey Chaldwell - Charleston Southern - Young, dynamic, coach that has turned a doormat Charleston Southern team into a well respected program this year. They have won some good games and seems their lack of scholarships caught up to them in the end. Jim Collins - Duke - Always seems to be on these lists. Not sure why, I would think someone with his tenure would be higher in programs than he is. Brian Scott - Old Dominion - Offensive Coordinator on a team that was built from scratch into success Kerwim Bell - Jacksonville - Does well for 0 scholarships, the worst stadium in the NCAA I just read bios on all these guys. Probably couldn't wrong with any of them. I like Brian Scott best and then Jamey Chadwell. I like the quick impact potential of both. I especially like Scott's offensive resume since he started coaching. I also like it that he has experience in recruiting the Tidewater Virginia area.
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Post by oldfan on Nov 26, 2013 13:20:02 GMT -5
As a person who has been close to program during Lembo years, I like Skrosky, Bateman, and Burnham. The issue is that Blank and Lembo did not see eye to eye on some things and I believe Blank was happy when Pete left. I think it will be hard because of that tense relationship for Rich or Jay to get the job...I wish that was not the case, but I think Blank wants to keep the past in the past. Pete was successful because he acted like a CEO and had a 5 year plan. 1. recruit NC,SC,Georgia, Tampa,Virginia and recruit it well. Elon is not and will never be a place where JC kids end up...2. Culture of winning- WE lost to South Florida 28-14 in 2008 and he kicked the entire staff out of locker room and went crazy on the team for thinking it was ok to lose... set the tone for the rest of the season. 3. breakfast checks, study hall, academic reviews, he was a micro manager but he made the kids accountable for everything. he also made the staff acountable... he even went nuts on the DFO at the time for not having players in the right outfit for a charity event.. attention to detail. I say this because Elon will be successful if they can get a coach who understand the culture of Elon and has a plan to win... I don't think Swep had a plan.. I did not see any consistency in recruiting and culture I knew Lembo reasonably well too, at least his organizational skills and mannerisms. From what I know I think the assessment above is right on. When we beat GSU the second time, it was said that his post game locker room speech was up beat and congratulatory, but he also got after the team in some areas, mildly, and took the blame. As in, "it's my fault for not preparing you well enough for a particular task, but neither you or I will make that same mistake twice." I have heard Lembo described as a jerk and an a-hole, indirectly, by some of the players and staff. But I have never heard him described as incapable. One strong validation of the effectiveness of his style, everyone that was asked to move with him to Ball State went, and several of the ones that weren't asked were disappointed that they weren't invited. I know I sound like a Lembo disciple on here some times, and maybe I am, but it's really his style that I admire, not just the man. The name callers you described are probably the coaches who were left behind do to not performing up to standards. Same for the players. Coach Lembo expects total commitment from his players in all phases including practice, game, academics, team and community. The grumblers are those that are usually in the dog house. Coach Lembo's reviews are overwelmingly positive and his historical results speak for themselves. No need to apologize for being a disciple.
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Post by fearthephoenix on Nov 26, 2013 15:38:06 GMT -5
Burlington, you hit it on the head. I highly doubt that Blank will go down the path of bringing a Skrosky or Bateman back, but you never know.
Fans give Pete so much credit, but in my opinion, his "legendary" accomplishments that some of you refuse to let go of, is mainly due to Jay and Rich. Pete wanted power and with one playoff appearance and 0 SoCon titles, he somehow felt entitled, thus him bumping heads with Blank and leaving. He gave up on that 2010 team, I remember attending practices and hearing "whenever I leave" and "when the next guy comes in". A team with that talent and promise did not succeed and he was the reason (in my opinion). He has always underperformed in the spotlight. For example, Pete has and continued to struggle in the big games because when it comes to X's and O's, he has to rely on Jay and Rich and he gets out coached time and time again. For example, Northern Illinois (2013), Central Florida (2012), Toledo (2011), Richmond (2010), App (ALL of them), Liberty (2008), Citadel/Furman (2007).
I understand when we had Pete, we won ball games and our program was on an upward trend, but at the same time, ONE playoff appearance, no championships, and we glorify him. Swepson was a bad hire and his lack of success magnifies everything that Pete did, but lets all just keep it into perspective. I just want our team to be successful. I want them to be disciplined on and off the field. I want them to be difference makers off and on the field. However, mostly I want them to receive a high quality education and become men. That is where I will give Pete a ton of credit, but when it goes to the game itself, there is a huge difference between a COACH and a MANAGER.
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Post by EC90 on Nov 26, 2013 16:08:52 GMT -5
Great News!! We need a good coach because the CAA is going to be one tough conference. There is no reason why we can't be a competitive program.
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Post by elon1985 on Nov 26, 2013 16:22:43 GMT -5
Burlington, you hit it on the head. I highly doubt that Blank will go down the path of bringing a Skrosky or Bateman back, but you never know. Fans give Pete so much credit, but in my opinion, his "legendary" accomplishments that some of you refuse to let go of, is mainly due to Jay and Rich. Pete wanted power and with one playoff appearance and 0 SoCon titles, he somehow felt entitled, thus him bumping heads with Blank and leaving. He gave up on that 2010 team, I remember attending practices and hearing "whenever I leave" and "when the next guy comes in". A team with that talent and promise did not succeed and he was the reason (in my opinion). He has always underperformed in the spotlight. For example, Pete has and continued to struggle in the big games because when it comes to X's and O's, he has to rely on Jay and Rich and he gets out coached time and time again. For example, Northern Illinois (2013), Central Florida (2012), Toledo (2011), Richmond (2010), App (ALL of them), Liberty (2008), Citadel/Furman (2007). I understand when we had Pete, we won ball games and our program was on an upward trend, but at the same time, ONE playoff appearance, no championships, and we glorify him. Swepson was a bad hire and his lack of success magnifies everything that Pete did, but lets all just keep it into perspective. I just want our team to be successful. I want them to be disciplined on and off the field. I want them to be difference makers off and on the field. However, mostly I want them to receive a high quality education and become men. That is where I will give Pete a ton of credit, but when it goes to the game itself, there is a huge difference between a COACH and a MANAGER. Gonna disagree with you a bit; I don't hold Pete and his "legendary" accomplishments as anything but evidence of a what a head coach, with a proven record, can do with the resources Elon provides. I don't fault Pete for being ambitious, nor for being a good manager even if not from your perspective a Xs & Os guy. HCs in college football need top management skills, have to recruit and fund raise. They also have to hire quality assistants. Pete could do those things. I use Pete as the example; because we've tasted the playoffs my disappointment is that momentum, for which I do credit Pete, has been completely lost and we're back to square one, little different than when Elon transitioned to FCS. I'm sorry Swepson was fired (even though I have stated before it needed to be done), I never met him, but this next hire is essential as Elon moves to the CAA.
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Post by elon77 on Nov 26, 2013 16:28:42 GMT -5
I hope they DON'T hire someone off the junk pile, and I do hope they hire someone who will live in the Elon Community. Living an hour away just isn't right. If you are going to brush your teeth better than some other school, be leaders in the community, leaders in the classroom, and leaders on the field, the coach has to do the same. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SET THAT EXAMPLE BEING AN HOUR AWAY? Now, I feel better, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 16:34:59 GMT -5
A CEO doesn't do the sales training or r&d. He hires top notch VPs and directors to get the job done. His job is a strategic one, not tactical. That's Pete's forte. In fact, the less he gets involved in the xs & os the better the result. Pete is an outstanding CEO.
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Post by whoanellie on Nov 26, 2013 21:31:27 GMT -5
A CEO doesn't do the sales training or r&d. He hires top notch VPs and directors to get the job done. His job is a strategic one, not tactical. That's Pete's forte. In fact, the less he gets involved in the xs & os the better the result. Pete is an outstanding CEO. So Blank is considered the CEO? Interesting observation but also wondering like a Lembo when Ham left how Pro-Active Coaches will go after this Job?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 21:41:46 GMT -5
Whoa! Lay off the booze dude! Re read please.
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