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Post by homer on Sept 14, 2014 10:33:57 GMT -5
This game against NC A&T clearly showed the Phoebix offense that sputtered (yet showed glimpse of potential).
Ok, you're now the coach. How would you fix the offense. That means identify the problems and propose a solution.
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Post by elonpride on Sept 14, 2014 11:07:17 GMT -5
I will say this is a much improved team over last year. Some A&t fans think they should have won the game by at least 3 TDs, it could have been the other way around.
How to fix it, I'm not sure. Young line, predictable play calling or maybe the team is a year away in the development process.
It's clear that Andre Davis could be the go to guy on the offense. He speed and ability to break tackles was impressive. I'd like to see us get the ball to him as much as possible.
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Post by whoanellie on Sept 14, 2014 12:25:02 GMT -5
I will say this is a much improved team over last year. Some A&t fans think they should have won the game by at least 3 TDs, it could have been the other way around. How to fix it, I'm not sure. Young line, predictable play calling or maybe the team is a year away in the development process. It's clear that Andre Davis could be the go to guy on the offense. He speed and ability to break tackles was impressive. I'd like to see us get the ball to him as much as possible. 5 times in the red zone and no TD's at least We made 4 FG's but really did not have speed or strength or something to execute TD drives. I think poor 1st down production in first and goal was critical all about performance. Tre Lennon should have been red-shirted but is our only tall receiver. I think We should move our "skinny" Tight Ends out on the flanks and let our slots Andre Davis, Kierre Brown and Demetri Allison make plays on orbit sweeps screens and "pick plays" putting pressure on their corners. also Quinn needs to throw more to be backs on screens and clear-outs BJ Bennet needs to run harder and deliver some hits on his own, hand may still be bothering him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:20:45 GMT -5
Recruit Riddle, Hudgins and Mellette clones. Other than that, let the coaching staff do their jobs. The worst thing about the offense last night was the 5 times in the red zone with no TDs. Especially since I had a chance to win a Firehouse sub 4 times and came away empty... But, I think that's entirely fixable with better routes & timing. I don't know that I'd change a thing play calling wise from last night.
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Post by whoanellie on Sept 14, 2014 15:48:42 GMT -5
Recruit Riddle, Hudgins and Mellette clones. Other than that, let the coaching staff do their jobs. The worst thing about the offense last night was the 5 times in the red zone with no TDs. Especially since I had a chance to win a Firehouse sub 4 times and came away empty... But, I think that's entirely fixable with better routes & timing. I don't know that I'd change a thing play calling wise from last night. Panthers win get your KK Donuts |
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Post by elonforever on Sept 14, 2014 17:27:17 GMT -5
I find it interesting that several posters have mentioned in this thread and others that part of our problem is a young offensive line. Yet... no one has asked the question as to why it is that way. We had three full time starters. Sowell, Mcguire and Atcha, and one part time starter Engel returning from last years very productive offensive line yet Mcguire and Atcha are not starting. What is the agenda? No one asks because the O-line in invisible to most of you except when their playing poorly yet you don't notice the change in personnel. If it was a quarterback or a tailback you all would be all over it asking why? The problem is the OL coach and the head coach for letting it happen.
Now... you all get on your protect the head coach bandwagon because he reminds you of the glory years and then when you're 2-9 three years from now you can call for his head.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:46:57 GMT -5
I find it interesting that several posters have mentioned in this thread and others that part of our problem is a young offensive line. Yet... no one has asked the question as to why it is that way. We had three full time starters. Sowell, Mcguire and Atcha, and one part time starter Engel returning from last years very productive offensive line yet Mcguire and Atcha are not starting. What is the agenda? No one asks because the O-line in invisible to most of you except when their playing poorly yet you don't notice the change in personnel. If it was a quarterback or a tailback you all would be all over it asking why? The problem is the OL coach and the head coach for letting it happen. Now... you all get on your protect the head coach bandwagon because he reminds you of the glory years and then when you're 2-9 three years from now you can call for his head. Ok, don't just do a drive by. Explain what you're talking about. I noticed that Acha wasn't starting for the past two games but was on the punt and extra point teams. What's up? |
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Post by fc4life on Sept 14, 2014 22:59:51 GMT -5
Make sure you spell the names right. Especially when you come on the board to trash coaches. It's Ingle, by the way.
I find it interesting that the poster drops in and wants us to go back to last year. Well, our offense could not score last year as well. I have no problems with switching things up. Nothing should be given. It should be earned. There is not one player who should be proud of their product the last three years.
Reminds me of the parent calling for Lembo's head for changing Senior day his first year.
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Post by homer on Sept 15, 2014 6:36:35 GMT -5
I thought the O line was fine. Quinn typically had plenty of time to throw. The running game seemed efficient, except inside the 10.
What I noticed was that Quinn could have kept the ball who-knows-how-many times on the read option, but never did. The D keyed on the RB every time.
And Quinn continues to throw off his back foot, rarely stepping into his throws.
If the team can increase productivity from the QB spot, one way or another, the vast majority of offensive problems are fixed.
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Post by fc4life on Sept 15, 2014 8:14:53 GMT -5
I totally agree. The best offenses that run the spread offense have a quarterback that can run. We have zero threat.
We have got to get a QB who can run a little. Not a lot but has to be a threat.
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Post by bornthrilla on Sept 15, 2014 9:44:42 GMT -5
Your QB looked like he had decent speed on the busted play that resulted in a 20 yard scamper.
I would have definitely told him to keep the ball on that read option at least a couple of times just to test our defensive ends and outside linebackers. That is the same thing that got Jim Grobe fired at Wake last year: running a read option offense where the QB never keeps the ball.
All in all, I thought your offensive coordinator was the main reason you lost the game Saturday. Got way too vanilla whenever Elon crossed our 20 yard line. Not creativity whatsoever.
It was either run the ball up the middle or throw a fade route in the corner of the endzone. There is no way you should be settling for 5 field goal attempts against an opponent that has the quick-strike scoring ability that A&T has.
It was only a matter of time before we were gonna convert on a big play.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:19:34 GMT -5
Thinking about it, even Riddle tucked the ball and ran from time to time during games, usually with decent results. And Riddle may have a hard time out running my mother. Quinn has always been very athletic and pretty fast by FCS QB standards. I'm not sure why he doesn't tuck & run more often. That might be a question for the Thursday night radio show at the Fat Frogg.
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Post by elonforever on Sept 15, 2014 19:05:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry for the misspellings but it doesn't change the facts. The offensive line is young because two starters were taken out of the lineup prior to day one of spring practice. How is that production based? I agree that everyone needs to earn their spot but how come they gave up 8 sacks all of last year and after two games this year, they aren't far from that total. How come in the last fall camp scrimmage the 2nd team offense moved the ball on the 1st team defense but the 1st team offense didn't move the ball on the 2nd team defense? My beef is with the coaches for developing guys for the future and not putting the best guys out there now so we can win. It is not intended to take a shot at the (young guys that are playing)
You can stand up for who ever you want but these are the facts.
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Post by trianglephan on Sept 15, 2014 21:04:21 GMT -5
Have to agree with bornthrilla...
"All in all, I thought your offensive coordinator was the main reason you lost the game Saturday. Got way too vanilla whenever Elon crossed our 20 yard line. No creativity whatsoever. It was either run the ball up the middle or throw a fade route in the corner of the endzone."
...play calling inside 20 way too predictable. Does OC or HC call plays?
Gotta start throwing in some misdirection plays - some slot reverses/sweeps, more tight end passes in short yardage/goal line situations,QB bootleg (with tight end pass option). Also badly need to find an inside the tackles steam roller for short yardage. BJ prefers to juke/jive, Coppedge too small for short yardage, Too bad Bostic out. Surely we have someone on the team with size who will hit a hole running hard.
Might also want to consider Duke QB approach to goal line. Bring in dual threat QB. Didn't Andre Davis play QB in high school? South Carolina also using this approach some.. turning WR Pharoh Cooper into Wildcat QB
Just some thoughts...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 7:30:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry for the misspellings but it doesn't change the facts. The offensive line is young because two starters were taken out of the lineup prior to day one of spring practice. How is that production based? I agree that everyone needs to earn their spot but how come they gave up 8 sacks all of last year and after two games this year, they aren't far from that total. How come in the last fall camp scrimmage the 2nd team offense moved the ball on the 1st team defense but the 1st team offense didn't move the ball on the 2nd team defense? My beef is with the coaches for developing guys for the future and not putting the best guys out there now so we can win. It is not intended to take a shot at the (young guys that are playing) You can stand up for who ever you want but these are the facts. So, what you're saying is that Coach Skrosky, for some reason, is not starting the best players for the job? Is it possible that the previous starters are/were not understanding Skrosky's offense as well? Or maybe they were not doing as well in conditioning/weight room. Is it possible the younger guys had more of a get it done attitude? I have a very hard time believing that Skrosky and his coaching team are not doing the best thing for the program. I was not at every practice or the team or coaches meetings, so I don't know the reasons for the changes, but I do know that Skrosky has earned the right to do it his way because of his track record over the last 8 years. I'm certainly not going to start second guessing him after the 2nd game, especially when "production" has already been better in those first two games than after 34 games with Swepson. |
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