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Post by elonlax01 on Feb 18, 2019 21:29:15 GMT -5
I think Danny Manning will soon be available. FYI, this is not a serious suggestion or is it?
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Post by phoenix15 on Feb 19, 2019 9:14:38 GMT -5
Lol no to Danny Manning. I think we could use a younger or up-and-coming coach to energize the fanbase and program. Look at how Wes Miller was able to turnaround UNCG. It took him a couple years to right the ship, but they are arguably an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament this year. With this approach you have two options: 1) find a younger assistant coach at a bigger program (full disclosure this is what we did with Matheny and we all saw how that turned out). But looking for a coach in the lead assistant role similar to how Charlotte hired away Uva's top assistant this past offseason is the logic here. 2) Second option is find a coach at a lower level (DII/DIII) that has proven they can coach. This is the Curt Cignetti type route.
One name that I will float out there is Patrick Belein of Le Moyne College. He would essentially meet both of those routes (young and success at another level). His father is John Beilein. Patrick played at West Va, but has had some success already at Le Moyne. His father actually took somewhat a similar path by coaching at smaller schools (Cansinus and Richmond) before establishing himself as one of the best coaches in the game. He might be a bit ripe for a D1 coaching job, but that's a risk you have to take.
Unless Frank Haith gets fired from Tulsa and takes the Tubby Smith route to return to his alma mater for sh*t and giggles (and not $$$), I don't see the point in trying to get someone with Elon connections.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Feb 19, 2019 12:49:58 GMT -5
Speaking of Richmond, Chris Mooney may be available at the end of the season. He's had some success, but has struggled lately. Would be a good fit for Elon, but maybe too much like Matt?
How about Joel Justus? Has a history at Elon and current assistant at Kentucky.
Go Phoenix!
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Post by Pedro on Feb 19, 2019 13:20:37 GMT -5
I vote for John Thompson III.
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Post by Guest03 on Feb 20, 2019 10:04:29 GMT -5
We need someone that can recruit or is willing to recruit. The lack of athleticism on this team the last few years is highly noticeable. I believe it is fair to say that we have not seen the necessary recruiting bump from the move to the CAA or the opening of The Schar Center.
My feeling is that it is time to get a younger head coach with a marketable background into the program, ala the women’s program with Charlotte Smith. We’ve tried the veteran head coach or the top assistant from a local mid-major. We are not in a position to pull off the big time re-tread (Shaka Smart) or the alum in Frank Haith( not inspiring anyway).
Therefore I’d look to target a young former major program player who has been working his way up through the assistant ranks. For me a guy that fits that mold would be former Duke PG Greg Paulus. Once considered a high rising assistant his coaching career seems to have stalled due to circumstances beyond his control. He started his career at Navy before moving to Ohio State with Thad Matta. With Matta retiring somewhat unexpectedly Paulus was out of a job temporarily before landing at Louisville under David Padgett post scandal. Once Chris Mack was hired Paulus was again on outside looking in. This year he is at mid major George Washington.
Paulus brings a pedigree and connections as a player at Duke and a coach at 2 major programs. Additionally his career has left him at a crossroads that a chance to be head coach at Elon may be just the chance he is willing to take. Realistically I don’t see many other young assistants from major programs viewing Elon as a better stepping then remaining an assistant.
Wether Paulus or not I believe his pedigree is exactly what this program needs.
or (joking of course)
if we want to put scandal aside fresh off his Greek championship maybe Ricky P wants to her return stateside or we can get a fired Sean Miller. (His sister played here)
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Post by Elon on Feb 20, 2019 10:43:27 GMT -5
I wonder if Joel Justus would be interested? He seemed to have his head on straight when he was here. He's been with Calipari now for a few years, which is both good & bad. But he's definitely seen the inside of the recruiting business & high school coaches know him. Could be a great choice if he would be interested. He may, however, be waiting for a bigger time offer.
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Post by Elon on Feb 20, 2019 10:48:13 GMT -5
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Post by BrownBag on Feb 21, 2019 12:06:13 GMT -5
No coach at Duke or Kentucky is going to come to Elon.
When you are at a winning program, you can pick and choose the spot you want to land at. No reason to jump at the first job and take a spot like Elon which has been rated the worse job in the conference.
You want to take a job that gives you the easiest stepping stone to the next bigger job. That is how coaching works.
C of C, Hofstra, UNCW, Northeastern are the more desirable positions.
Earl Grant turned around C Of C in year three. They have not been great but heck...they are 3rd in the CAA with 21 wins. Wins come easy when you got the best program overall.
Hofstra hired an older coach, he is 62 so he will probably just stay put until he retires.
Northeastern has older coach as well, has been there a long time. They typically finish top half of the conference, lots of top 3 finishes, one NCAA bid.
Similar to Hofstra coach, Northeastern coach is probably going to stay until he retires. When you get a good job, you can win without the grind.
UNCW coach has struggled but he is only in year two. Keatts parlayed this job into NC State so UNCW is a good job and possible to lead to promotion but McGrath has struggled so far. Yes, Keatts took best player with him but the cupboard was far from bare.
It just shows how random hiring coaches are. UNCW hires a UNC assistant to take over and he is struggling.
In summary, if I am at program like Kentucky or Duke, I don't consider Elon. I wait until I can land one of the top jobs like if Grant leaves for a larger program.
Any good young coach will win big at C of C, any good coach should be at C of C for 5 years then off to the ACC/SEC/Big Ten, ect.
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Post by fc4life on Feb 21, 2019 12:14:25 GMT -5
It’s all up to the search firm that Blank hires.
Simple as that.
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Post by Hook Dorm Forever on Feb 22, 2019 8:44:21 GMT -5
I vote for John Thompson III. He's doing TV work now and I see him from time to time out at George Mason
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Post by EU09 on Feb 26, 2019 9:32:49 GMT -5
While looking at the CAA standings... There are only three teams with a winning record in conference as of today. Hofstra, Northeastern and Charleston. All three of which have been in the top half of the conference for years I think. Throw in Delaware and those are the four teams in conference with a winning record overall.
Off topic but the SOCON is having a year.. 4 teams with 22+ wins. Wofford 24-4, UNCG 24-5.
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Post by elonpride on Feb 26, 2019 10:22:15 GMT -5
While looking at the CAA standings... There are only three teams with a winning record in conference as of today. Hofstra, Northeastern and Charleston. All three of which have been in the top half of the conference for years I think. Throw in Delaware and those are the four teams in conference with a winning record overall. Off topic but the SOCON is having a year.. 4 teams with 22+ wins. Wofford 24-4, UNCG 24-5. Lots of talk about the SoCon being a 2 bid league for the tourney, which hasn't happened at least in the modern era. They've also had 2 teams ranked in the top 25 this season.....Wofford currently and Furman early on (Furman is still receiving votes in the coaches poll). Quite the year for the SoCon with 4 teams in the top 65 of the RPI. Back to the topic.
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Post by BrownBag on Feb 27, 2019 11:09:24 GMT -5
Will continue to get same results no matter who the coach is.
Lowest job per coaches in the CAA, that is factoring in the new gym.
If Elon is serious about winning in basketball in the CAA, budget must be increased.
If you aren't going to pay for a good coach, you aren't going to get one.
You may get lucky and hire some guy who just wants a shot, but as soon as shows any results he will get poached, then Elon hires some loser and we are back on the bottom.
Also, if we are serious about winning in basketball...admission requirements must be lowered.
Charleston and UNCW has the lowest requirements in the league. Yes, UNCW has a loser coach who allows Matheny to appear as James Naismith.
But when Keatts was at UNCW, you saw the type of players they could get. Charleston always has the most talent in the league on average.
When you have good budget for HC + assistants along with plus can admit any kid you want to go after.....you get talent.
Talent wins games.
We finally got the facilities that has been a anchor around the program improved. It is now an asset.
Let's leverage that asset by hiring a quality staff and allow them to get the type of players that can win.
We got one part of the equation, until the other two are solved we will continue to be middle to bottom of the CAA.
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Post by elonlax01 on Feb 27, 2019 13:00:00 GMT -5
Do you consider mid-300,000's low? (I have heard a rumor that this is the current HC salary). As I understand it is competitive in the CAA. If it isn't then what would be competitive?
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Post by elonpride on Feb 28, 2019 6:41:56 GMT -5
Could dip into familiar waters....IUP has a pretty good basketball coach
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