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Post by whoanellie on Oct 27, 2013 21:51:16 GMT -5
when he lays an egg in front of the homecoming crowd on Nov.9 Hell will be felt by the high contributors donors it happened with Hamilton but 3 years of continued falling records well it is what is is ...
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Post by whoanellie on Oct 27, 2013 21:56:29 GMT -5
when he lays an egg in front of the homecoming crowd on Nov.9 Hell will be felt by the high contributors donors it happened with Hamilton but 3 years of continued falling records well it is what is is ...
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Post by optomistic1 on Oct 27, 2013 23:29:08 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store
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Post by whoanellie on Oct 28, 2013 5:22:13 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store I understand how you feel, because most of the time I have felt just like you. In 4 season's We have gone from a Play-off calibre team and huge upgrades in facilities to a losing program with a bunch of confused kids and and a head coach that has lost confidence to his closest supporters. His mentor, coach Obrien at NCSU got fired last season maybe He can get it figured out I think He needs 3 victories to close out the season on a winning note. His record and his recruits are just not getting it done.
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Post by fearthephoenix on Oct 28, 2013 5:50:27 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store Optomistic1- Rome was not built in a day, but this is year 3. I am not all about getting on here and bashing a coach and asking for him to be fired, but let me remind you that this Elon team under Jason Swepson has 7 Division 1- FCS Wins..... SEVEN in three years, the last year of Lembo they had five and at the time, considered it a down season. As I have said before, I am not a Pro-Lembo guy because he truthfully gave up on his team in 2010, but the product since then has been mediocre at best. From a fan and alumni perspective, it is easy to criticize when I am sitting in a recliner, but it is even easier when I am signing checks and giving donations towards a program that has been awful. Not even from a win-loss standpoint, Swepson's constant badgering, blaming, and general disrespect towards his players in postgame press conferences and in the media draws my ire more than anything else. When he was announced, he said that Elon would be Champions in the Classroom, Community, and on the Field. Where can you honestly say there has been champions or at least given championship effort? We are struggling in the SoCon when it is a down season and maybe you forgot that we head towards one of the BEST conferences in FCS football next season. Elon is 2-7 with Citadel, Georgia Southern, and Samford left. If he can win every remaining game on that schedule, then he may can talk his way into another season, but after what I saw Saturday, you cannot tell me that the team that took the field on Saturday and the results from the past three seasons are not causes for "unfair" criticism.
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Post by elonpride on Oct 28, 2013 9:06:51 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store Optomistic1- Rome was not built in a day, but this is year 3. I am not all about getting on here and bashing a coach and asking for him to be fired, but let me remind you that this Elon team under Jason Swepson has 7 Division 1- FCS Wins..... SEVEN in three years, the last year of Lembo they had five and at the time, considered it a down season. As I have said before, I am not a Pro-Lembo guy because he truthfully gave up on his team in 2010, but the product since then has been mediocre at best. From a fan and alumni perspective, it is easy to criticize when I am sitting in a recliner, but it is even easier when I am signing checks and giving donations towards a program that has been awful. Not even from a win-loss standpoint, Swepson's constant badgering, blaming, and general disrespect towards his players in postgame press conferences and in the media draws my ire more than anything else. When he was announced, he said that Elon would be Champions in the Classroom, Community, and on the Field. Where can you honestly say there has been champions or at least given championship effort? We are struggling in the SoCon when it is a down season and maybe you forgot that we head towards one of the BEST conferences in FCS football next season. Elon is 2-7 with Citadel, Georgia Southern, and Samford left. If he can win every remaining game on that schedule, then he may can talk his way into another season, but after what I saw Saturday, you cannot tell me that the team that took the field on Saturday and the results from the past three seasons are not causes for "unfair" criticism. What gets me is you see other athletics programs at Elon playing at tremendous levels. Baseball, Men's bball, Men's Soccer, Women's Soccer, Men's Tennis, etc. Those programs are continuing to build, and will see even more success in the future. So given the talent that is on the team, why can't we see the same success we saw just a few years ago? They have been in nearly every single game this season at the half, only to come out flat in the second. From my perspective, that lack of consistency comes from coaching, not the players. Looking at the 1st half of the last few games, it's easy to see the talent is there to win. They were in it with #6 CCU and NC A&T and up big on #11 Wofford, Furman and WCU at the half. Swepson is simply being out-coached in the 2nd half in every game. Yes, it is easy to sit in my recliner and blabbity blah, but it's apparent.
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Post by elonfootball2114 on Oct 28, 2013 9:51:34 GMT -5
1. Elon is a good academic school, beautiful campus and top notch football facilities. The reality is that they should never fall below 500 in this league or any other league in FCS. I say this because when Seagraves, Hamilton and when Lembo started- the funding for football was not up to par. Lembo's staff had some talented kids but for most of his tenure they had below avg facilities, a really tight recruiting budget, and couldn't even afford to put the Elon emblem on football warmups. Yet- he and his staff were able to put together competitive teams and they were very rarely outcoached. They were far from perfect, but considering what type of budget and resources they had... they did a heck of a job. 2. With new facilities, some more money flowing into the program, better dorms etc. This staff/team should not be at the bottom of the league. Especially this year, where there is a lot of parody. 2nd half adjusttments have been terrible and Swepson's quotes in paper have been perplexing. They threw the ball 54 times at Wofford and he says he wanted the offense to be a smash mouth run team and that is why he went 4 straight runs at the 5..... I don't get it- atleast throw 1 ball in the endzone. I wonder what Ruggiero or Skrosky would have called in that situation... hmmm 3. I honestly think Swepson and Pincince don't trust Quinn. Quinn was a Lembo recruit- had a great relationship with Skrosky ( Fellow Jersey guy) and had to do everything right to get the starting job and I honestly still think he his fighting for the starting job every week- and to his credit he has been a bright spot on this team. kudos to him for fighting through this. That is my only explanation for the conservative play calling and the "sit on a lead" mentality that has been common place for Elon. 4. One bright spot for the coaching staff- these kids have not quit on them. They keep fighting every week. Last 3 games will determine Swepson's fate...Even if the kids don't agree with him or the staff they are still working hard and you gotta like there resolve. I believe if Blank goes and gets a quality HC in off-season this team will be atleast 500... I am not saying this team is world- beaters but they have talent and should be 500 or better . Read more: elonphans.proboards.com/thread/3016/problem#ixzz2j1pdPDEH
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Post by elonfirefighter on Oct 28, 2013 11:15:53 GMT -5
I do give the kids credit. They have not stopped playing this "hole" season. Many teams might of laid down but they come out to play w qtr's each week. I have my sources, this coach like's to put the blame on the players, "they didn't want it enough". I understand trying to motivate a team, but at some point a coach needs to step back and say maybe Im doing something wrong. I've heard that they are some HS that will not let us come on campus because of this coach. He's offered scholarships and then revoked them to give to another player. He wanted to use Elon as a stepping stone, but hes slipped off and fallen into the river.
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Post by fc4life on Oct 28, 2013 12:16:04 GMT -5
We should know and expect that Elon is a stepping stone job. We should be a place where coaches can move up and on. That means we are winning. All good by me.
However, Blank made bad, bad hire. A great guy who was in over his head from the start.
Why keep him around? Keep him to then let him go after a we fail again next year? Hire an experienced coach to help lead us into the CAA. Like it or not... We are now a rebuilding project. Give the guy four years to rebuild what has been torn down
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Post by elonpride on Oct 28, 2013 12:44:09 GMT -5
We should know and expect that Elon is a stepping stone job. We should be a place where coaches can move up and on. That means we are winning. All good by me. However, Blank made bad, bad hire. A great guy who was in over his head from the start. Why keep him around? Keep him to then let him go after a we fail again next year? Hire an experienced coach to help lead us into the CAA. Like it or not... We are now a rebuilding project. Give the guy four years to rebuild what has been torn down Correctamundo. We MUST get someone new in before heading to the CAA next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 12:45:39 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store Someone asked on another thread for posters to stop talking about Lembo because he is gone and doesn't care about Elon any more. Well I'm just going to disregard that request here. Lembo came in when the program, although classified as D1-AA was still being run like a mid level D2 program. He had to fight for virtually everything. But yet he only had one losing season here. The program, under his tenure, was very well respected when he left and the funding, which was shoestring when he got here, was mid to high level SoCon when he left. For the first two years he was here he was speaking to a civic group or business club or Alumni group just about every night of the week in addition to his coaching duties. He put together a competent staff and required that they produce results. The funding, much of which he personally raised, that built the field house, (which he never got to use), came because of what Lembo achieved with the program. During the losing season, his first, he went 5-6, but still had a top 25 win. That was with someone else's recruits and a horrible prior two years with Hamilton. So, did Lembo do it in a day? No. But look at what he started with compared to Swepson. I would be ok if Swepson had a couple of mediocre years while building the team, (not the entire program mind you like Lembo did, just the team), but he has not had a winning season and each season gets worse. We were lucky to have gotten the win at Furman this year. A first time playing third string QB helped our cause on that day. Our stats were about half of what Furman's were. Then we lose to WCU who hadn't won a D1 game in 33 attempts or a conference game in 26 attempts. I don't even know what to say about that. Now we have The Citadel, GA Southern and Samford to go. Based on what I've seen this year I expect us to go 0-3 for the remainder of the season for an overall 2-10 record. So that's 2011: 5-6, 4 D1 wins, 3 SoCon; 2012: 3-8, 2D1 wins, 1 SoCon; 2013*: 2-10, 1 D1 win, 1 SoCon. Unfair critisicism? I think not!!! Now, I did not play football at Elon. But I have been well into the top 10% of donors for Elon Athletics, every year, for approaching 2 decades. So while I may not be on the team, I certainly consider Elon Football to be "MY TEAM", just as I'm sure most of the high level donors do. I promise you this, there are MANY higher level donors who are fed up with Swepson right now that are considering voicing their displeasure by reconsidering their financial contributions. I honestly don't care if the team wins out this season, Swepson owes the players and the donors an apology, not the other way around. I think MY football team has the talent to be at least 500 in the conference. Swepson has the chance to get it there. If he doesn't, well, I think he's had enough time.
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Post by elon1985 on Oct 28, 2013 20:27:30 GMT -5
I can't disagree with anything you wrote; I've reconsidered my giving amounts the last two seasons, but continued at a certain level because I love Elon, will continue to support the programs and institution. I am so frustrated with what has happened during the last three seasons and there's little evidence that it will turn around next season. Elon is about to embark on an extremely important transition (I do worry about CAA baseball, but no reason to doubt Kennedy's teams in the future) and it's the Hamilton years all over again, but Swepson came in with a solid foundation upon which to build and it has only become worse. No excuse for this decline. The buck stops with the head coach.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Oct 29, 2013 10:54:52 GMT -5
Everyone wants to fire coach swepson , the head coach can only do so much , he don't throw the ball ! He don't run the ball , and he don't tackle either ! It's pretty easy to criticize when your sitting in a recliner ! It takes awhile to implement a new system and find the right players to run that scheme ! Yes there not playing well right now but Rome wasn't built overnight either people ! I really hope when things get going in the right direction again that the same people with there unfair criticism have a few apogies in store We're going the "coach isn't out on the field" excuse again? That maybe works when you lose one game and a player or players don't execute. This is a trend and that falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff. Let the ceo of a failing company use the excuse that he doesn't do the actual work so don't blame him and see how far that goes. The lack of accountability from the coaching staff and their advocates is almost as intolerable as the results. I am amazed at how quickly folks will toss college athletes under the bus in an attempt to protect those being paid to deliver. Go Phoenix!
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Post by eufbalumni on Oct 29, 2013 14:34:38 GMT -5
Guys let's be real and put the blame on the people who, at the very heart of this are responsible. To me, President Lambert and Director Blank are truly the ones who are at fault here for one simple reason: they thought they could go cheap on a coach because Lembo fell into their lap that way and they thought they could get away with it again. Swep was by all accounts the 5th or 6th guy we offered the job to. All other coaches turned us down because we would not pay enough. Period. Swep is a good guy and great at certain very important areas of a college fb program like recruiting. However, I think we realize now that maybe he was put in a position that he was not quite ready for. Lembo came from a place where he couldn't even offer his players scholarships and had to go undefeated to get into the playoffs because his conference was so weak. For him, Elon was a great opportunity to showcase his skills and take the next step in his career. Lambert wants to be in the ACC within the next 10 years, and I think that's fine. We have numerous athletic teams that right now could compete (baseball, soccer) and a few that are almost there but still need a little work (Basketball). Kennedy has been here and isn't going anywhere-don't have to pay him crazy money. All other sports coaches don't make all THAT much other than basketball and football. We paid Matheny, and look what he's done. To get the football program, which is not as far gone as most think because these players that Swep has brought in the last two years are very, very talented, going in the right direction again Leo simply needs to learn from this mistake and let Blank pay a coach superior money for our level. We're in the middle of something like $500 MILLION in new stuff over the next 10 years??? Do not tell me that $500 THOUSAND is too much to make your football program a contender again!!!! Lambert and Blank are laying in the bed that they made. Let's hope that they learn from it and salvage the situation before it does become a scenario where we are having to start from scratch like Lembo did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 14:39:41 GMT -5
We'll said 99.
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