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Post by elonfirefighter on May 26, 2016 10:40:48 GMT -5
Game 2 scoring Out - error - out inning should be over - walk - single(RBI) -Single (RBI)
New pitcher- walk - Hit by pitch - new pitcher - out - walk - out - new pitcher - walk (RBI)
So 3 runs scored that should not of been.
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Post by elonfirefighter on May 26, 2016 15:18:36 GMT -5
JMU almost upsets UNCW, taking it to extra innings.
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Post by elon77 on May 26, 2016 18:23:54 GMT -5
What has happened to the Baseball Program? I remember it hasn't been too many years ago that Elon set the bar in the Southern Conference. Somebody give me their opinions.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 0:12:56 GMT -5
One factor is cost. I know two guys who were offered by Elon, one really wanted to go to Elon one may or may not have considered Elon. NCAA D1 schools may offer 11.7 scholarships for a 25 man roster. That means the average player gets .468 of a scholarship. Tuition, room, meals and fees are: $44,599 at Elon, $17,012 at UNCW and $14,416 at Appalachian. The average player, assuming he is one of the 25 getting a scholarship, has to come up with 53.2% of these costs or $23,727 per year at Elon, $9,050 at UNCW and $7,669 at Appalachian. Most private schools like Wake Forest, Duke, Campbell, Liberty and others have academic money. So, if you're a decent student, you may be able to essentially have a full ride. Unfortunately, Elon has very, very little academic money. So basically, the average player has more left over to pay after the scholarship than the other two schools would have to pay as a walk on. IMO this is the biggest obstacle we face with baseball at Elon.
Regarding the two players mentioned above, one went to App. I honestly don't know if he even considered Elon, but he will likely be the Sun Belt freshman player of the year. BTW, his dad played at Elon. The one that went to UNCW went there versus Elon purely because of the money. It really stinks, but that's where we are right now and will likely be for the foreseeable future.
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Post by elonfirefighter on May 27, 2016 6:59:19 GMT -5
Endowment Endowment Endowment Elon needs to and is working on raising there endowment account. Once we have the ability to offer more non athletic packages to athletes to better the tuition blow we will continue to loose out to the cheaper schools.
elon77 also there was the bat change 5-6 years a go that really hurt us. We were built as an offensive team, set the record for HR in the NCAA one year. We did great for a few years when it switched to pitching for a few years but lately we have hit a slump.
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Post by phoenix2008 on May 27, 2016 10:46:44 GMT -5
Do we face this same scholarship gap for football? Anyone know how we compare to a school like Richmond? i'm guessing they have the academic scholarship money to offset things?
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Post by elonfirefighter on May 27, 2016 12:26:39 GMT -5
Football we can have 63 scholarships not sure how they split. Its a lot easier to fill a 2 deep roster then start splitting those lower down the chart. With baseball you have 8 players a few top backups. Then a deep pitching staff. Thats a lot more than 11.7. Thats why the gap is less in football. you just cant build a deep pin on that
In the UR case their endowment is 2.372 Billion ours is 388.8 million per google. Thats almost a 2 billion difference in their ability to offer academic packages.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:18:55 GMT -5
Football we can have 63 scholarships not sure how they split. Its a lot easier to fill a 2 deep roster then start splitting those lower down the chart. With baseball you have 8 players a few top backups. Then a deep pitching staff. Thats a lot more than 11.7. Thats why the gap is less in football. you just cant build a deep pin on that Correct. Plus, a full baseball roster is 35 +/- players, 25 being players with a minimum of 25% scholarship. So in football, we have approximately a 100 player roster yielding 63% scholarship positions overall, or about 2/3. In baseball that equates to about 33% scholarship positions overall, or about 1/3. Like you said, two deep in football is 44, plus, call it about 10 additional special teams players for an overall absolute scholarship need of 54. This leaves a surplus of 9 scholarships to dole as the coaches see fit. In baseball, the absolute need is something like 8 position players, 3 weekend starting pitchers, 5 relievers/mid week starters, plus two closers and an additional catcher for 19 absolute need players, leaving a deficit of 7.3 scholarships. Obviously, all of this is arguable, just another way of looking at it. The point is, we need that endowment built up so we may compete a little more effectively with the state supported and the well endowed private schools.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:23:20 GMT -5
Expect Campbell University to continue to rise in baseball. I was talking to a Campbell coach last summer who is very familiar with Elon. He said that if a Campbell baseball recruit is a solid student, they can pretty much count on a full ride. This being a huge advantage Campbell has over Elon. His words.
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Post by elon77 on May 27, 2016 15:29:13 GMT -5
Seems to me that you guys and girls need to give a little bit more each year. I just finished paying for two students 8 out of the last 9 years. I'm all spent out, but I wish I could do more.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:29:58 GMT -5
On a side note, about 15 years ago Elon's endowment was well under $100 million. So, we are working on it, but schools like Duke, Richmond, Wake Forest and Liberty currently dwarf Elon. I'm not exactly sure how Campbell does it. They are listed as having approx. $124 million in endowment money. I have been told that they have lots of Baptist Church money like Liberty, but I have no confirmed evidence to that effect.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 15:39:17 GMT -5
Seems to me that you guys and girls need to give a little bit more each year. I just finished paying for two students 8 out of the last 9 years. I'm all spent out, but I wish I could do more. I feel your pain. I have one starting college in 2018 and another in 2019. I have been at least a top 20% contributor over the last 10+ years. Over the next 7-10 years, others will have to take up the slack.
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Post by elonfirefighter on May 27, 2016 16:09:38 GMT -5
On a side note, about 15 years ago Elon's endowment was well under $100 million. So, we are working on it, but schools like Duke, Richmond, Wake Forest and Liberty currently dwarf Elon. I'm not exactly sure how Campbell does it. They are listed as having approx. $124 million in endowment money. I have been told that they have lots of Baptist Church money like Liberty, but I have no confirmed evidence to that effect. Years ago President Lambers goal was to improve the brick and mortar campus. Now that we have that top notch he is concentrating on the Endowment. We have made large strides in improving what we had but we are way behind a richmond and a duke. We also have a very young alumni base that cant afford to give in the same numbers and E77 you may have just paid for 2 students, but I need to save for 1 plus 1 unborn student to go to Elon in 18 so years.
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Post by elon77 on May 27, 2016 19:34:24 GMT -5
On a side note, about 15 years ago Elon's endowment was well under $100 million. So, we are working on it, but schools like Duke, Richmond, Wake Forest and Liberty currently dwarf Elon. I'm not exactly sure how Campbell does it. They are listed as having approx. $124 million in endowment money. I have been told that they have lots of Baptist Church money like Liberty, but I have no confirmed evidence to that effect. Years ago President Lambers goal was to improve the brick and mortar campus. Now that we have that top notch he is concentrating on the Endowment. We have made large strides in improving what we had but we are way behind a richmond and a duke. We also have a very young alumni base that cant afford to give in the same numbers and E77 you may have just paid for 2 students, but I need to save for 1 plus 1 unborn student to go to Elon in 18 so years. Both of mine went to Elon. I can't dream what it will cost to go there in 18 years.
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Post by ncjon on May 28, 2016 10:36:26 GMT -5
TThat $388.8 million endowment figure is a good bit higher than reality. It looks to me like Google ripped it from the Wikipedia page, which had an unsourced claim to that amount.
The most recent figures from the National Association of College and University Business Officers, which puts out an annual report on endowment growth, have Elon's at $211.4 million. That figure was from June 30, 2015, so it has likely grown a decent amount in the last 11 months, but unless we missed a major fundraising campaign it has not gone up by $177 million.
Doesn't change the overall point about financial aid and scholarships available or that the university has made great strides in improving the endowment. Ten years ago it was about $60 million. We've still got a long way to go, but we're getting there!
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