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It’s Time
Jan 20, 2018 20:59:42 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Jan 20, 2018 20:59:42 GMT -5
Matt runs a clean program and graduates players. However, we’re at a point with this program that we need a change. We’re stagnant and have a veteran team that can’t close out games. This is the second time in the 9 years under Matheny that we’ve had a veteran-laden squad that can’t seem to take the next step.
Tonight’s meltdown:
* Up 8 with 6:46 to play. Lose by 7. * We make one basket and two free throws in the final six minutes of the game. * W&M had two key players in the game the final six minutes with four fouls and we did not attack. * We shot a number of three pt attempts without going inside. * Matheny took a TO with 3:30 left and only down two. We never took another one. Shades of JMU.
We should demand more out of this program. Not to mention, the crowd, “a sellout” was quiet and a non issue. Heck they don’t even standup anymore.
Time for new blood at helm for a new arena.
We stink. I sure hope we change and will be pumped if we do. However, we should all be tired of this type of performance.
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Post by BrownBag on Jan 20, 2018 21:58:17 GMT -5
You stink?
No, your program stunk when you were bottom feeders in the SoCon.
Imagine rolling those old teams in the conference you are playing in today.
Remember, recruiting a high school kid is the same thing as dating in high school. Remember the kid with the best clothes, the brand new car, yet his parents were probably in debt to eyeball losers who put every drop in the kid because they knew he had peaked at 18? That is the same kids you are recruiting in basketball, they are easily influenced by facilities.
Right now, you are walking kids into a 70 year old cracker box saying, want to play here son?
Who is the girl going to pick? The guy with the 4.0 GPA and driving a 2004 Toyota Corolla or the guy with the 1.5 GPA with the 2018 Mustang? Exactlyyy.
Matheny is recruiting as well as you can with the limited resources he has been provided.
Give him a new arena, the ability to bring in higher recruits than 2 stars and then start having some expectations.
The only non all 2-star recruits you have is Thompson and Santa Ana...who (gasp) is two of your best players. Funny how that works, right?
Once the gym is complete, if Matheny can't bring in the type of players that it takes to build the talent and depth level to win a title, I would agree 100% with you that it is time to move on.
Right now, you are firing a guy who took you from the basement of the SoCon to the top of the SoCon.
Then moved up a conference without giving him the proper resources and facilities to compete within this conference.
He isn't going to be fired. Notice you (and 4 other people) are the only ones who are calling for his head. The general Elon fans either don't care or are happy with the product. Or maybe they understand ROI unlike you fools?
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It’s Time
Jan 20, 2018 22:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Jan 20, 2018 22:03:26 GMT -5
Nice try.
You obviously have no history with the program. The easy way out of any argument is to go low. Our arena is an easy excuse to point to. That’s the easy way out. It’s X’s and O’s.
Only point you have that is valid is our fan base. It’s bad. Period.
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Post by BrownBag on Jan 20, 2018 22:49:53 GMT -5
So your gym, where the kid will play his games at for the next 4 years....is not a big selling point?
Why do you think all the schools are investing so heavily in facilities? Yes, flushed with cash. But in order to attract top coaches and players, you need the facilities.
Finally, you have it. Now let's see if Matheny can recruit players to Elon now that he has something to sell them.
If he could land two players like Thompson and Santa Ana in 4 straight classes, then you have 8 players to go to battle with. But you can't get that type of talent without the facilities and tradition of winning. (Elon does not have that either).
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It’s Time
Jan 20, 2018 23:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by Dougie on Jan 20, 2018 23:33:13 GMT -5
Fc..you are right and don't stop thinking so
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It’s Time
Jan 21, 2018 8:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by Elon on Jan 21, 2018 8:22:45 GMT -5
Browner, you’re completely missing the point. We have a veteran team that is unable to finish a game. A team that is struggling to give full effort for a full half much less 40 minutes. Our starters have been starters for nearly two full seasons now, but they are, as a team, no better and maybe a little worse than last year, as a team. I agree with you that the new Schar Center will be a great recruiting tool. But when past teams have beaten the likes of Clemson, U South Carolina (twice), Davidson, last year’s UNCW team and others, it seems something else is wrong aside from facilities. This year’s veteran team has been beaten by the two worst teams in the CAA and UNCG by 31. We have also beaten three of the better teams in the CAA in Hofstra, Towson and College of Charleston. The absence of consistency in skill and effort for this veteran team is unnerving. Will a new venue enable better recruiting of effort and team spirit?
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Post by Tommy Boy on Jan 21, 2018 10:53:30 GMT -5
It seems to be an unpopular stand to support Coach Matheny on this message board. I don't feel as strongly as those voicing their belief that the best option for our basketball program is to remove our coaching staff. I am as frustrated as the next fan. I am an on and off season ticket holder for six of the past 10 years since I have been a fan of the Elon basketball program. I am an older fan along side with many of my fellow season tickets holders around me. I may not act like Cameron Crazies and stand and shout the entire contest but I cheer and I don't pay $150 for my seat each game. I don't think we will experience a larger let down than the 2011 season. Coach Matheny was loyal to that group to a fault and frankly they let everyone down. (University, coaches, fans, community, themselves) This team is nothing like the 2011 team: this group of student/athletes are overachievers. Players which should be playing for Elon which could have been on the floor this season are E.Bryant (BYU transfer) and Eddy (NCAA denied injury redshirt) both Matheny recruits. Add those two to this team; we would have a bench which contributes and not be forced to play a player 38 minutes a game who isn't having a good game. Coach Matheny thought he would have these recruits available for this season resulting in what I consider a poor use of scholarships in an emergency attempt to fill void resulting in minimal bench support. If someone on the staff needs replaced; it is our post position recruiter. If that is Coach Matheny then he needs to relinquish that responsibility to keep his job. I am not pleased with the quality of post players being recruited as a whole. (Major room for improvement) I don't expect another Lucas Troutman but closer. I wish Coach Matheny would pull scholarships of none producing players but that doesn't seem to be his style. I wish he would attempt to look into junior college athletes to fill holes in our recruiting errors. The best thing Coach Matheny and staff does for Elon is booster revenue. The basketball program raises the most funds for the school. For those who are excited about Elon football be careful with "fools gold ". Elon's football team could have easily been 1-9 like most years with our margin of victory. I feel the bookstore would be safe to continue the 50 percent off sale after each home football victory as in the past. I think level of our basketball program is in a better overall position than our football program which I'm not a season ticket holder although I cheer and attend both. Go Elon!
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It’s Time
Jan 21, 2018 11:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Jan 21, 2018 11:43:51 GMT -5
Bryant has been gone for three years. Can’t point to that. I do agree our recruiting has been very spotty.
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Post by Dougie on Jan 22, 2018 10:30:26 GMT -5
On the court performance subpar. Recruiting subpar. End of story. I feel like having a different opinion after this much data is just having some other agenda (i.e. Matt is a good guy), which is fine. But you are ignoring mountains of data in doing so. This team has top tier CAA talent this year and will not do so. In fact, we are going to be worse than last year
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Post by Phoenix15 on Jan 23, 2018 14:06:38 GMT -5
Since we are on this topic. If Elon were to move on from Matheny, what type of new coach would you want to target:
a. Young(er) assistant/ first-time head coach from a bigger basketball school or at least a school with success (for those who say we couldn't hire someone of this nature, Quinnapiac hired Jay Wright's right-hand man, Baker Dunleavy. Granted they spent a big chunk of $. Also, Delaware hired a top Notre Dame assistant to be head coach)
b. Proven coach from a smaller program or a D-II/III school
c. Former/previously fired coach that experienced some success elsewhere
d. Something else
I don't think we are the type of school to throw a much money at a coach (don't think we have the $ to throw even if new President wanted too), but we have some things going for us: Brand-new arena, would have good talent for a senior class, beautiful campus, good academics (which might actually be a con for some coaches, but I wouldn't want that type of coach anyway), growing brand recognition, and a solid conference. Really think candidates would see Elon as an attractive option and a diamond-in-the-rough, or at very as least as a stepping stone.
Interested to hear others thoughts.
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Post by Dougie on Jan 23, 2018 16:01:16 GMT -5
I would definitely choose choice A from above. I want someone with very aggressive goals, even if a few of them can't be attained. People who have been in the bigger programs tend to be hungry in my opinion. I say this fully realizing that person may only be here 3 years if successful. And ideally at least one assistant with some level of experience (I am flexible on what kind). I think part of Matt's undoing is he has no real "right hand man." The current flock of assistants are all young and without experience. They may develop someday but in the meantime, I think Matt and the program have sufferered for that.
Totally separate point here; does Elon not have much money? I only live here. I didn't go to school at Elon so don't know a ton about these types of topics but I hear a lot of people mention that. I know tuition is high and the campus seems beautiful so I always thought money was not a factor. Granted, I am not suggesting Elon is a power player and can pay whatever to coaches, but I just never knew the athletic budget was that tight. I know they turned down a CIT bid last year and thatw ould have onlly been $50K, which I thought was easy for Elon to afford. Like I said, I ask sincerely. I have no clue probably compared to some of you all
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It’s Time
Jan 23, 2018 16:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Jan 23, 2018 16:36:08 GMT -5
We need $. Trust me. We need it. Anyone who says otherwise does not know the truth or a way around a balance sheet. Our first call should Matt not get things turned around and Blank makes the call. rmucolonials.com/coaches.aspx?rc=889&path=mbball
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Post by Phoenix15 on Jan 23, 2018 16:44:22 GMT -5
I'm all in for Toole. I have doubts about his interest (already transferred from Elon), seems to be more of a Northeast connection, and might have set his sights on a bigger job, but if Blank could pull that off I would be thrilled. Agreed that money would be a major issue. Not sure what President Book's emphasis on sports will be either. That should be one of many interesting story lines to follow once she replaces Leo in March.
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Post by Tommy Boy on Jan 24, 2018 9:03:47 GMT -5
On the court performance subpar. Recruiting subpar. End of story. I feel like having a different opinion after this much data is just having some other agenda (i.e. Matt is a good guy), which is fine. But you are ignoring mountains of data in doing so. This team has top tier CAA talent this year and will not do so. In fact, we are going to be worse than last year I feel Elon's performance on the court has slipped a fraction this season but as any major college program can tell you: fortunes can change with one recruiting class. The product is still admirable. I felt until this year our squads could win or challenge for a chance to win the Southern Conference if we had stayed in the conference with the departure of Davidson. We defeated or would have been favorites against any team we played from the our old conference. (toss up vs ESTU) We have proven this season we would not win the SC and probably finish with Western Carolina in fifth or sixth position. Furman and UNCG drilled us. I disagree this team has top tier talent for CAA. We had top tier talent until this season. This team doesn't have top tier talent even for the Southern Conference. Coach Matheny has gotten all they have to give talent-wise. The issue is his recruits are limited. We still have a shooters chance because of the system to challenge in the CAA but top tier talent no way. A top tier team in the CAA possibly because of our Coach's system but not probable. Fortunately, there isn't one dominant team in the conference this year so I'm telling you, "There is a chance." Jim Carrey.
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It’s Time
Jan 24, 2018 9:09:22 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Jan 24, 2018 9:09:22 GMT -5
I'm all in for Toole. I have doubts about his interest (already transferred from Elon), seems to be more of a Northeast connection, and might have set his sights on a bigger job, but if Blank could pull that off I would be thrilled. Agreed that money would be a major issue. Not sure what President Book's emphasis on sports will be either. That should be one of many interesting story lines to follow once she replaces Leo in March. Tools transferred to Penn. I have no problem that he left for an Ivy League program. Yes. Penn is a better school than Elon. Can’t blame him.
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