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Post by WaaWaa on Mar 19, 2019 7:28:28 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing who is put in place of Matheny. I would expect a coach with no head coaching experience. Any coach that understands the value of recruiting budget, admission requirements, will realize this is a dead end job. The only coach that would take this job that has been a head coach before is one at this end of his career who is just looking to cash some checks before retirement. Elon was a good SoCon job, but terrible in the CAA. Now that MM is leaving, you can go back to your Davidson cubby. Shoo!
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Post by Elon Man on Mar 19, 2019 13:58:22 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing who is put in place of Matheny. I would expect a coach with no head coaching experience. Any coach that understands the value of recruiting budget, admission requirements, will realize this is a dead end job. The only coach that would take this job that has been a head coach before is one at this end of his career who is just looking to cash some checks before retirement. Elon was a good SoCon job, but terrible in the CAA. While I somewhat agree with you. I do not think it is a terrible job, and I also do not think that the only coach to take this job is someone at the end of the career. I think you can very easily get a young up and coming coach. I understand the difficulties but there are much worse programs, in worse situations who get solid coaches
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Post by BrownBag on Mar 19, 2019 16:44:05 GMT -5
Not saying Elon can't hire a solid coach, but they do it will a guy from D2/D3 or a guy like Lutz who has been out of the game but looking to get back in.
No ACC assistants from Duke or UNC is going to take this job. Will they take over UNCW after they went to NCAA Tournament? Yes. Would they take C of C? Sure! But I think most guys in the industry know that Elon is an uphill battle, even with a new gym while in the CAA.
If you have a good job as an assistant in the ACC (Like at Duke/UNC) then you can afford to wait until one of the better midmajor jobs open up.
If Wes Miller leaves UNCG, they will land a really good up and coming coach. Not necessarily UNC/Duke assistant, but a coach will look at the talent at UNCG and understand they can come in and win from day one.
If you look at Elon, you are thinking at least for two years, I am going take my lumps. We have like 4 half way proven D1 players on the roster right now and they are all freshman.
Look at how many people go from the better schools in mid major and parlay that into big job. Keatts to NC State.
If Grant breaks through with C of C, he will get a better job offer.
With all the advantages they have built in, those type of jobs are easier routes to the big pay day.
Elon offering maybe what...$300k a year to take over the worse program in the CAA. So you end up hiring a guy that is making $100k or less right now, which is a bottom of the barrel D1 job and he probably isn't even killing it at that job. If you are killing at a job, why not keep killing it and wait for a better job?
Someone looking at Elon knows it is going take overachieving recruiting results (compared to budget) with a depleted roster to get this program to competing for titles.
Not saying it can't be done, but if you are a hot name assistant then it probably isn't that appealing.
But someone who is making $80k-$100k with not a ton of job opportunities or someone out of coaching currently would look at Elon and say....chance to control my own destiny, new gym...despite all of the negatives I will take this leap and give it a go because I feel like I have what it takes.
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Post by Elon Man on Mar 20, 2019 21:41:00 GMT -5
No realistic person thinks we are going to get an assistant from duke or unc. Not many, if any CAA are going to get that. I would argue none.
And if any coach comes in and gets Elon to top of the conference they would also get an opportunity at a better job. Miller has been at UNCG 7-8 years before he might get his shot.
Is Elon the best job in the state or the conference no, but usually a job opens for two main reason. Your coach gets a new job at a better school or your coach gets fired.
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Post by Hook Dorm Forever on Mar 21, 2019 18:34:21 GMT -5
Jamion Christian, who led Mount St. Mary’s to two NCAA Tournament appearances and turned Siena into one of the nation's most improved teams in 2018-19, has been hired as George Washington’s next Head Coach. That was quick as GW fired Maurice Joseph less than a week ago.
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Post by Hook Dorm Forever on Mar 22, 2019 8:03:28 GMT -5
From Twitter...Wake Forest Basketball coach Danny Manning will be retained, sources tell 247Sports. Expecting a release and likely even a press conference later this morning.
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Post by BrownBag on Mar 22, 2019 9:00:37 GMT -5
Interesting that I have saw none in local media speculate about who could be candidates for the job.
I am following App States coaching search as well....some internet speculation via Twitter but also Winston Salem Journal already had a article with 10 names to look out for.
I remember those rankings of CAA job and Media Exposure was dead last in the conference.
The biggest moment for Elon basketball in years....no articles about possible targets, no articles about what Elon should look for in the next coach, ect.
Local Media really needs to step it up.
Just silence....pretty sad really.
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Post by elonlax01 on Mar 22, 2019 9:11:29 GMT -5
The lack of coverage is amazing. There was mention of the search yesterday on Hoop Dirt, but that seems to be it.
"The search at Elon is underway. I’ve heard as of right now, the AD is talking to interested candidates, and is still unsure if a search firm will be used. More on this one as I hear it."
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Post by Elon Man on Mar 22, 2019 11:10:58 GMT -5
You guys are really surprised by the local media?
NCAA tournament going on with DUKE and UNC. Greensboro has UNCG having a great season in the NIT, WF with a coach on the edge of staying or getting fired... I guess it was mentioned that a list was out for App St but then again while App is awful at basketball they are a bigger name than Elon. You won't get a word from Raliegh, Durham, Chapel Hill news. The Times-News in Burlington is your best shot and they covered the first practice of football. And on top of that not sure there are many people on that staff who could name a few coaches that would be a good fit outside of saying something along the lines of "uh an assistant coach from UNC". So I guess I am not surprised at all haha. Elon doesn't get much coverage when we are good at things, let alone when an awful team fires an awful coach and even there own fans aren't sure who they could hire.
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Post by ncjon on Mar 22, 2019 15:05:05 GMT -5
A swing for the fences?
Bryce Drew is one hell of a coach who knows what it takes to run a successful basketball program at a small private university in an out-of-the-way place. I expect he'll be looking to get back to it as quickly as possible.
I mean if HPU can land Tubby ...
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Post by Weak on Mar 24, 2019 10:50:40 GMT -5
One thing that has bothered me through this process so far is the argument that Matt deserved to stay because he continually developed his players into into men (intellectually and socially of course, 35 threes a game doesn’t scream men on the court).
Matt has brought in some incredibly well off kids from very comfortable backgrounds.. All of them already intelligent. Let’s not give him credit for already good kids staying on the straight and narrow. People are pretending like Elon has lots of “bad crowds.” Glad we kept a guy for a decade for sub par performance (to put it nicely) because he kept a close watch over the players to protect them from the dangers of the country’s most beautiful campus! Oh the horror!
The players have hated him, except the ones who had nowhere else to play D1 ball, which is a good portion of them. Blank and Book probably feel overwhelmed by the hiring process so far, so expect to see an announcement about a 57 person search team to aid them in another mediocre hire. Fingers crossed they strike gold and show some competency for the first time in either one of their tenures.
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Post by Guest1 on Mar 24, 2019 22:15:29 GMT -5
A swing for the fences? Bryce Drew is one hell of a coach who knows what it takes to run a successful basketball program at a small private university in an out-of-the-way place. I expect he'll be looking to get back to it as quickly as possible. I mean if HPU can land Tubby ... HPU got Tubby because he's an alum and he needed work. Now, if Tulsa fires Frank Haith....
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Post by Elon Man on Mar 25, 2019 10:42:33 GMT -5
A swing for the fences? Bryce Drew is one hell of a coach who knows what it takes to run a successful basketball program at a small private university in an out-of-the-way place. I expect he'll be looking to get back to it as quickly as possible. I mean if HPU can land Tubby ... Bryce Drew was awful at Vandy, 0-18 in the conference. He kind of underachieved at Valpo. His teams would constantly be 1 or 2 in the conference and lose in the conference tournament. Valpo and Elon are not far different... maybe some more money/better campus at Elon. Tubby needed somewhere to retire and HPU wanted to make a name hire. This hire is going to be very interesting... I do not see it being anyone on our radar
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Post by ncjon on Mar 26, 2019 10:33:49 GMT -5
A swing for the fences? Bryce Drew is one hell of a coach who knows what it takes to run a successful basketball program at a small private university in an out-of-the-way place. I expect he'll be looking to get back to it as quickly as possible. I mean if HPU can land Tubby ... Bryce Drew was awful at Vandy, 0-18 in the conference. He kind of underachieved at Valpo. His teams would constantly be 1 or 2 in the conference and lose in the conference tournament. Valpo and Elon are not far different... maybe some more money/better campus at Elon. Tubby needed somewhere to retire and HPU wanted to make a name hire. This hire is going to be very interesting... I do not see it being anyone on our radar Four regular season titles and two tournament titles in five years as Valpo's coach is certainly the kind of underachievement I could live with. It was also their first conference title in eight years, first since moving up to the Horizon from the Summit and first NCAA tournament appearance in nine years. Vandy was very young this season and lost their five-star, projected-lottery-pick point guard to a season ending injury in their fifth game. He got higher ranked recruits to Vandy than any previous coach. Doesn't explain 0-18, entirely, but if Darius Garland doesn't get hurt, Bryce Drew is still the Vandy coach today. Anyway, it sounds like Elon's looking for a different profile and like I said before, it'd be a swing for the fences.
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