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Post by elonpride on Oct 5, 2019 17:13:01 GMT -5
Rough, rough, rough day up at UNH.
5 TOs won’t win a game. This season imploded really quickly.
I am excited about basketball season!
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Post by everelon on Oct 5, 2019 17:22:55 GMT -5
We are in dire need of an offensive line coach and maybe a defensive line coach as well.
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Post by elonpride on Oct 5, 2019 17:39:12 GMT -5
In dire need of something. When was the last time an Elon QB threw 4 ints in a game? Was it Thompson against UNH in 2015?
Think those are the only 2 that come to mind.
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Post by bjiyf on Oct 5, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
Cheek requires a pocket. He won’t have one this year. He’s great given enough time. Without time, he’s less than average. We need mobility given the current situation. It’s time to start Baughman.
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Post by everelon on Oct 5, 2019 18:41:18 GMT -5
Baughman’s life may be in danger if we can’t find an offensive line. Wrobo or someone like him might have been able to mold the current individuals into a representative unit. There are some scholarship players that have not found their way onto the field. Look at the difference in JMUs ol this year from last year. We should have paid Wrobo what ever it would have taken to keep him in N.C.
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Post by whoanellie on Oct 5, 2019 18:57:56 GMT -5
There is one axiom when you call out your teammates (see Adam Smith article) publically by Gosh you better back it up. You can take a bad bounce ricochet INT but 2 pick 6's will killyou. The OL is playing all out of position. Nelson from LG to Right OT. Purcell to LT Cermele back at C. S%^& True Fresh OT Cutler needs to Start and burn his redshirt. Is a tough call. MCNair just cannot fumble during that drive and K Davis miss FG took away all momentum. Our zero yards on so many many plays running or sacks/ hurries and throw aways. Defensively We really played well and rushed and sacked their QB made goal line stands and #21 had 3 INTs. I guess UNH was just better today I thought we could have played better against them. announced a crowd of 17k plus. 15k were in the parking lot when you see the stands.
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Post by phightingphoenix1 on Oct 5, 2019 19:33:47 GMT -5
OL are the toughest positions to coach and get players working together. OL ultimately, is to work like a well oiled machine. Young players and players new to position take some time to get the desired effect. Elon has had 3 very good teams in a row, but, I believe they will get coached up and familiar with each other as the season moves on. Looks like no playoff game this year, but, work toward winning season and better opportunities for next year.
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Post by bjiyf on Oct 5, 2019 19:49:24 GMT -5
Baughman’s life may be in danger if we can’t find an offensive line. Wrobo or someone like him might have been able to mold the current individuals into a representative unit. There are some scholarship players that have not found their way onto the field. Look at the difference in JMUs ol this year from last year. We should have paid Wrobo what ever it would have taken to keep him in N.C. Cheek’s life is In danger now. He can’t move or throw on the run. I hope the OL learn to work together. They certainly aren’t now. Plus, it’s like chewing gum and walking, our QB HAS to be able to run, think/assess and throw at the same time. It’s simply a must this year.
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Post by Phoenix on Oct 5, 2019 20:04:54 GMT -5
The problem is there is no time for routes to develop when the QB has 2 seconds at best to throw it. Putting someone into run won’t help because we can’t run the ball either. We are outmatched on the line of scrimmage which makes it hard to run and throw regardless of the QB.
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Post by phoenix5 on Oct 7, 2019 9:59:25 GMT -5
Cheek plays well when he is not under pressure. It's the reverse when he is.
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Post by hoidOfYolen on Oct 7, 2019 12:53:06 GMT -5
Cheek plays well when he is not under pressure. It's the reverse when he is. Eh, I'm gonna call BS here. He normally plays great under pressure because he never throws interceptions, he'd rather throw it away (hurting his completion rate), take the sack, or be able to get away and get back to the line of scrimmage. Saturday's game was just soooo out of character for him that the only way I can think to explain it is a mindset problem on that day. His first INT was probably not his fault: he was hit as he threw and it floated 3 yards right into a waiting defensive end's arms. His second was certainly his fault: he seemed not to see the defender behind the route until it was too late. His third INT was iffy on whether it was his fault: the defender took a risk and jumped a curl route, probably because of his film study and recognizing the play. It also may be that the receiver didn't sell his cut well enough, I just haven't gone back and watched that play yet. His fourth was his fault too: he seemed to be trying to make the big play by throwing it over the top when they seemed to need it most (down by 2 TDs with 4 minutes remaining), but he didn't need to make the big play, he just needed to get 10-15 yards and get the ball out of bounds. The ill-advised throw probably came from him feeling like he couldn't play it safe and needed to take a big risk for a big reward. Obviously that didn't pan out. So IMO these INTs are almost all him doing the opposite of what he usually does, which is play conservative and make good decisions that don't put the ball at risk of INTs, ever. It was a bizarre day for our QB but I think it's disingenuous to say he's generally not good under pressure, because he is.
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Post by hoidOfYolen on Oct 7, 2019 13:09:21 GMT -5
My bigger concern is with the leadership and culture of the team. We had players fighting with each other on the sideline on Saturday, which should NEVER happen. You're teammates, not opponents, and, at least during the game, the game matters more than any individual player's feelings. Something I've been seeing on film that's super concerning is that the Offensive Line seems to block very well when the team is in-sync and when they are "on a roll", so to speak, but when the going gets tough, it genuinely seems like the OLine just doesn't play as hard, or doesn't think their blocks through, or doesn't focus on doing their job, or something to that effect. When we are playing like a team and some people make plays, it seems like the OLine just comes off the line quicker and harder and with more energy. But when stuff goes wrong, like dropped balls/sacks in the JMU game or the INTs in the UNH game, the OLine seems to get deflated and misses blocks baaaad. It's noticeable and it's worrying. And it's not just the OLine. When the opposing team makes plays or seems to get "on a roll" themselves, the defense doesn't usually get fired up and make a stand, they get on their heels and make mistakes, mostly in coverages. I'm convinced this problem is causing our bad pass defense, because when we get on our heels the DBs play 6-10+ yards off the ball allowing the quick and easy curl and out routes, the LBs go to their "default" and look for holes to crash (like when defending the run) instead of staying home and defending the middle of the field, and the DLine doesn't seem to take any unique paths to the QB, they just hit the OLinemen in the chest and do a standard push, instead of trying moves to get around them. I really don't know why this happens but you can see it happen on film. The coaches do seem to be pushing the players to keep their head up and keep "straining" and fighting, but however they are doing it's just not sticking. Something has to give.
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Post by fan1 on Oct 9, 2019 5:32:32 GMT -5
Hey holdofyolen, Your observations and analysis are so right on I am glad you are submitting imput on this Forum! The only thing I will add is our offensive line under Robo was not that good the first couple of years under Coach Schroedsky. Oh how we forget. Younger OL of Togood, Udoah, and Huggins got taken to the cleaners plenty. Go back and look at those scores and check out Robos line vs Townsend last year. The OL is a young line and does give up when things go poorly. That has got to change. Against Richmond they played great blocking for the run and pass. Richmond’s defense this past weekend looked stellar and it made one wonder how we blocked them as well as we did. Got to get back to basics. Robo said many times the hardest timing to develop is the OL when things went poorly in his first couple years at Elon. I have to think him correct. He had to work at keeping their confidence up and help them learn to stay tough mentally. Davis Cheek is a great player who like any great player needs time to throw. He also is not going to be able to do things that do not fall under his skill set. Run the option, tuck and run, throw across his body. That is not what makes him so dangerous. He needs to continue hitting what the defense gives him, continue the short quick throws which open up bigger throws downfield. If in trouble throw it to holdofyolen or me. Now the defense played good enough for us to win this past week. The offense had a horrible game like they did last year vs Townsend. Got to get to playing both sides of the ball. Holdofyolen is right. Stay positive and keep fighting. Play for pride, Elon and the American way. Show some grit. Make plays. Get back to “Play FAST, PHYSICAL, and be RELENTLESS”. Never give up or give in! Got to get some of the swag back. We need some of the anger directed at each other on the sideline directed at the opponent. We had some-tough hardened OL last year in Togood, Udoh, and Higgins, Kowleski. Let’s get that toughness back. If you make a bad play learn from it and don’t make it again! Never quit! I would like to meet holdofyolen. You have a great eye for football and you are positive with your analysis and comments. See you at the game Saturday!
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Post by bjiyf on Oct 9, 2019 9:50:31 GMT -5
Cheek plays well when he is not under pressure. It's the reverse when he is. Eh, I'm gonna call BS here. He normally plays great under pressure because he never throws interceptions, he'd rather throw it away (hurting his completion rate)... I would agree with this if the term “normally” refers to the 2017 and 2018 seasons. This year’s normal is not playing well under pressure. It’s not totally his fault, and the receivers have had their fair share of drops, but this year he has not played well under pressure. He’s had the propensity to over throw the receivers. It just seems that play action and roll out pass plays are more necessary now than the prior two seasons.
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