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Post by epx on May 18, 2024 18:25:30 GMT -5
Regardless of definitions, colleges, corporations like Black Rock and State Street, along with the federal government are using it as I stated above. That's just like the term "fairness" can be interpreted many ways. Enough of this for me. Back to Elon sports.
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Post by eu96 on May 18, 2024 19:38:37 GMT -5
Sorry Fear. Time re-evaluate the HEAD Coach.
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Post by fearthephoenix on May 18, 2024 20:02:13 GMT -5
Sorry Fear. Time re-evaluate the HEAD Coach. Not being sarcastic or being a jerk, but with Kennedy being towards the end of the career, do you think they will let him get to 30 seasons or a change needs to be made now? For me and me only, Baseball was terrible but we can’t reload the whole Elon Athletic Department in one year lol. To me: On the Hot Seat in 24-25: Women’s Basketball, Volleyball, Softball, Men’s Basketball Warm: Lacrosse, Baseball, Men’s Soccer, Women’s Soccer, Women’s Golf, Football Safe: Track, Cross Country, Men’s Tennis (new), Women’s Tennis, Men’s Golf Once again, the University needs to support athletics, but the collective performance from this athletic department from the product on the field, to the low effort videos/graphics with multiple errors and misspellings, and lazy press releases from the communications department, needs an overhaul. However, the best content from the athletic department has been the Rising Phoenix student content. From the Podcasts to stories, they have been great and so much better than what the full time staff have produced. I’ve been a huge fan of Strawley to this point, but the Honeymoon phase has ended and it’s time to get to work. She got a great hire for Men’s Tennis to replace Leonard and if other coaches don’t get it done this season, they have had enough time.
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Post by euphoenix99 on May 19, 2024 9:57:59 GMT -5
Sorry Fear. Time re-evaluate the HEAD Coach. Not being sarcastic or being a jerk, but with Kennedy being towards the end of the career, do you think they will let him get to 30 seasons or a change needs to be made now? For me and me only, Baseball was terrible but we can’t reload the whole Elon Athletic Department in one year lol. To me: On the Hot Seat in 24-25: Women’s Basketball, Volleyball, Softball, Men’s Basketball Warm: Lacrosse, Baseball, Men’s Soccer, Women’s Soccer, Women’s Golf, Football Safe: Track, Cross Country, Men’s Tennis (new), Women’s Tennis, Men’s Golf Once again, the University needs to support athletics, but the collective performance from this athletic department from the product on the field, to the low effort videos/graphics with multiple errors and misspellings, and lazy press releases from the communications department, needs an overhaul. However, the best content from the athletic department has been the Rising Phoenix student content. From the Podcasts to stories, they have been great and so much better than what the full time staff have produced. I’ve been a huge fan of Strawley to this point, but the Honeymoon phase has ended and it’s time to get to work. She got a great hire for Men’s Tennis to replace Leonard and if other coaches don’t get it done this season, they have had enough time. In my opinion volleyball and softball should have been gone this year. There is just no reason with those facilities and both having 10+ years to win something they should still be here. Softball was bailed out by a weak conference. 17-10 in the CAA, but it's worth noting they were 6-19 out of conference. CAA is the 24th rated conference in RPI. Next season will be telling for both Smith and Taylor. I'm assuming Smith will get a couple of key players back from injury and it's a make or break season for her. Taylor will have had time to start turning the corner from the mess Schrage left. You can only ride that excuse for so long. With the transfer portal, you don't need 5 years to rebuild a program. It's hard enough to keep people interested and engaged when you are winning, but if this keeps up you are going to start losing people for good. I know Strawley and her staff have a plan, but when it comes across as complacency it sends a message. As FTP said above, the honeymoon is over. Go Phoenix!
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Post by eu96 on May 19, 2024 10:22:49 GMT -5
Understood you can’t fire everyone at once. That is the reason you have to think strategically. Tedler and Smith should have been canned this year…full stop, especially knowing that 90% you will have to fire Taylor next year, as well as possibly nudge Kennedy into retirement. On a positive note, really exciting to learn about the investments being made in Golf, a collegiate sport growing in exposure. I always thought soccer was our best chance to punch above our weight (example: both UNCC and Marshall have won nattys recently), golf might offer equal or better value. Well done Elon.
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Post by fc97 on May 20, 2024 7:19:54 GMT -5
Very defensive because it is simply a horrible take. Of course, a private liberal arts institution in Burlington, NC is going to have to make statements considering the heart of the student body is from the Northeast. You have to market to the families that are paying over $60k to have their kids go to school at Elon. Also, I could easily pick apart those schools that you listed but why waste my time? At the end of the day, our athletic department is underperforming and I am currently watching A&T beat the absolute snot out of us in baseball. However, I’ll give you this. Campbell has had solid success recently because the University Administration has fully invested in athletics. That has not happened here and we can fire and hire whoever we want. However, until Book and company fully embraces the challenge, I don’t see immediate change. Very defensive is the exact take. You asked for examples and you got examples. You say you can rip it apart, but offer not shred of evidence. This is the same emotional reaction without data that drives social media responses to everything today. I FEEL therefore it IS. The truth is, by polling, upwards of 70% of the country is against DEI and against the stances that Elon is taking. But look, it is a private school and they can do what they want in the end. When I was a Freshman, the school pulled all copies of the Pendulum ahead of a visiting weekend. This is just life. However, that doesn't invalidate the stance that these same university opinions and positions alienate parents and groups of students. I could offer some personal evidence to that, but that evidence is anecdotal at best. Also, I want to indicate too that the NY, NJ, CT, MA may be historically Democrat controlled, but that doesn't mean that the majority of the state's population is either agreeing with what is considered a far left set of mentality and opinion or that that 30% of the population from these are the only ones applying to Elon. Ohio has also been a historical Elon hotbed for recruiting and that is not a population that generally buys into this either. Yes. Let’s dump the DEI departments at a University where the majority of the racial diversity comes from your student-athletes. Sad but not surprised by these takes. Go ask the student-athletes of diverse backgrounds about their experiences and what it would look like without intentional inclusion opportunities for them. Let me know what you find out. Additionally, you are applauding VCU and GMU for what exactly? Their Governor did an audit and their schools faced potential ramifications for not doing what believes. Really disappointing. First off, primary racial diversity is not from athletics, primary racial diversity was happening by recruiting that was happening decades before DEI departments came into existence. I can provide a link that shows student athletic demographics for the past few decades showing very little change before and after DEI became "a thing". Second off, racial diversity is a poor measurement here for this assumption. Demographics in sports has been relatively stagnant for decades changing at or around +/- 5%; Meaning, DEI means nothing for this. And student athletes in a large school is a rounding error for the demographics. DEI departments offer very little into athletics departments. Federal Title IX is strict and does not offer the wiggle room that can be forced elsewhere. Which is why demographics of "racial diversity" are remaining static overall. Last, any program in any tax-payer organization should be evaluated for effectiveness and return on investment. And for your comment on VCU and GMU, that is exactly what happened. The same reason that put in DEI in the first place is what had it removed. That's the way government audit works, some cases are politics (which means "democracy") and some are based on money and trade outs.
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Post by fc97 on May 20, 2024 8:59:38 GMT -5
Overall, I think Elon has made a tremendous mistake. Going D-II to D-I may have been the right thing. But has that extra spend really helped the school? We have no signature football wins to justify it. Our basketball team is not ever in the conversations. Baseball had its moment and it passed. They decided to pursue conference affiliation to make up for that. At the time the SoCon losing Charleston, Davidson, App and Georgia Southern looked like an implosion risk. Despite that, the basketball has turned it up. Mercer and Samford have stepped everything up and are in national conversations in addition to Furman and the others. All without compromising their university visions.
Here we are 10 years later on the doorstep of another conference implosion. James Madison has left. Delaware left. Richmond is now throwing their eggs into basketball and left for football. Villanova is likely to take that route. Charleston is all but out. Unlike the SoCon, there is no cohesive unity in this conference. And our stock is worse now that it was when we were in the SoCon.
And honestly, I don't know why the SoCon would want to affiliate with us again. Playing us in sports is a lot different than affiliating with us overall.
We've made our bed.... we've alienated alumni.... and we have very little to show for it.... It is going to be awesome to see how our new president and athletics director make a new short term decision....
If I was W&M, A&T and Campbell, I would be looking SoCon.
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Post by eu96 on May 20, 2024 9:15:28 GMT -5
Elon is much more attractive than you think. The SoCon would take us and WM in a heartbeat. Campbell would be attractive as well. A&T??? Please. They have horrible facilities and a non-existent athletic budget. They should be back in the MEAC, as well as Hampton. The results have proven that out. I actually think Elon doesn’t aim high enough. I still have hope that our new AD is thinking big.
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Post by epx on May 20, 2024 11:52:18 GMT -5
All of this conference jumping is what it is. I'd like to see us in the SoSon again for personal reasons. There is one thing I'd like to see more than another conference jump is a FIRM COMMITTMENT to athletics by the admin & trustees. We will continue to be in the lower half in conference standings until we address coaches salaries, NIL, recruiting and travel budgets, nutrition, performance assessment and research, etc., etc. It doesn't matter which league we're in, we'll always be bush league without COMMITTMENT!
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Post by fearthephoenix on May 21, 2024 21:09:31 GMT -5
[/quote]First off, primary racial diversity is not from athletics, primary racial diversity was happening by recruiting that was happening decades before DEI departments came into existence. I can provide a link that shows student athletic demographics for the past few decades showing very little change before and after DEI became "a thing". Second off, racial diversity is a poor measurement here for this assumption. Demographics in sports has been relatively stagnant for decades changing at or around +/- 5%; Meaning, DEI means nothing for this. And student athletes in a large school is a rounding error for the demographics. DEI departments offer very little into athletics departments. Federal Title IX is strict and does not offer the wiggle room that can be forced elsewhere. Which is why demographics of "racial diversity" are remaining static overall. Last, any program in any tax-payer organization should be evaluated for effectiveness and return on investment. And for your comment on VCU and GMU, that is exactly what happened. The same reason that put in DEI in the first place is what had it removed. That's the way government audit works, some cases are politics (which means "democracy") and some are based on money and trade outs. [/quote] VMI has a DOI office - www.vmi.edu/cadet-life/health-wellness-safety/diversity-opportunity-and-inclusion/ Liberty does what ever in the hell they want and they are a Faith Based institution. BYU has renamed their DEI office to Office of Belonging - belonging.byu.edu/. Is also a Faith Based Institution Campbell has a Diversity in Community office - www.campbell.edu/life/diversity-in-community/ and is a Faith based institution Charleston Southern has an office of Diversity, which is a Faith Based institution. Faith-based institutions rarely implemented DEI because many felt that the following of their faith is enough. Elon is not like these schools, which is why I didn’t have time pick apart your horrible options. Additionally, most of the schools you said HAVE DIVERSITY OFFICES, so what are you talking about? We recruit to the Northeast, Elon put out surveys that the results said that parents wanted to see the school do something. They did. You don’t like it. Fine. But making it seem like Elon did this for no reason is stupid. If you want to continue this, send me a message because this was never the platform. My apologies, board.
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Post by fearthephoenix on May 21, 2024 21:11:21 GMT -5
All of this conference jumping is what it is. I'd like to see us in the SoSon again for personal reasons. There is one thing I'd like to see more than another conference jump is a FIRM COMMITTMENT to athletics by the admin & trustees. We will continue to be in the lower half in conference standings until we address coaches salaries, NIL, recruiting and travel budgets, nutrition, performance assessment and research, etc., etc. It doesn't matter which league we're in, we'll always be bush league without COMMITTMENT! Glad someone mentioned the Trustees because they get a huge pass but are, in my opinion, the critical group that devalues athletics at the institution.
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Post by epx on May 21, 2024 21:21:17 GMT -5
I sent you a PM 3 days ago so we could discuss this outside the open board. Check the PM.
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Post by fc97 on May 23, 2024 21:22:38 GMT -5
Elon is much more attractive than you think. The SoCon would take us and WM in a heartbeat. Campbell would be attractive as well. A&T??? Please. They have horrible facilities and a non-existent athletic budget. They should be back in the MEAC, as well as Hampton. The results have proven that out. I actually think Elon doesn’t aim high enough. I still have hope that our new AD is thinking big. Why do you think Elon is that at tractive that the SoCon would take us back? We have no sports worth noting at all. And our reputation as a whole has gotten much more farther to the left than it was when we left. Even then, the CAA exit fee is rather steep, much steeper than I think we can afford. What I think plays out: -Charleston likely goes A-10 -Villanova goes to the Patriot for football Once Richmond and Nova are out, the glue holding the North and South members is gone: -UNH, Albany, Maine, URI, Bryant, Sacred Heart, Merrimack likely form American East conference without anyone in the Questions: -What happens to Hofstra and Northeastern? -With the conference so watered down, do UNCW and W&M stick around, because they are both WAY more attractive to the SoCon than we are. We could potentially be a good fit for the Patriot, maybe.
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Post by epx on May 24, 2024 11:09:48 GMT -5
I don't think UNCW is remotely as attractive as Elon. They don't have football, and never will, which is their biggest drawback. The SoCon also sees themselves as wanting to head more toward academic excellence. UNCW doesn't fit that bill either.
Honestly, I don't think either UNCW or CoC really fit anywhere but the A10. Because the CAA has a pseudo separation of Football & other sports, they fit better in the CAA than they do in the SoCon, but they don't really fit in either. I agree that Villanova may try to move football to the PL. PL schools range from Boston to DC geographically. Their location suits that move & they can afford to jump conferences. Frankly, I'm not sure why UR moved football to the PL. Could be the academic and prestige stench of the new institutions recently added to the CAA. Could be the PL allows more possibilities in scholarship funding, ie., limited scholarships. Who knows? But they are now, geographically, the farthest south member of the PL whether full or associate.
UR is about an hour south of Georgetown and American. We are another 3 hours south of UR. So we really don't fit the PL. As I said before the only conference I'd like to see us move to is the SoCon. Otherwise I'd rather we stay put for now. Again, until we make the full commitment to sports at Elon, it doesn't really matter where we are, we'll have the same problems.
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Post by eu96 on May 24, 2024 14:11:25 GMT -5
Sorry..had to laugh when I read the SoCon is trending towards more academic excellence. Thank you for that..I needed a good chuckle. As for UR, you don’t need to be a detective to figure why they are leaving CAA football. Hampton? Bryant? A&T? These are truly lousy programs who are more akin in resources and facilities to a D2 program. And it’s only going to get worse as the CAA loses more teams. UR is being smart and getting off this rusty boat. As for WM, they are the key. The SoCon would love to have them, but I think the Tribe would rather be in the PL. if that is the case, we should go with them. 3 predictions: SoCon invites UNCW and High Point. Strengthen their BBall, baseball and non-revenue line-up. And Albany moves up to FBS and joins the MAC.
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