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Post by elonpride on Dec 20, 2007 20:44:25 GMT -5
I know we had some injuries, but this is a terrible loss to Penn.
The boys were able to battle back from 10 down, but this game should've been a win.
If this team wants to make any noise in the conference, they have to win games like this...........this loss is unacceptable.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Dec 20, 2007 21:08:16 GMT -5
I wasn't able to follow, but definitely a wasted opportunity for an OOC win. They have to be able to win on the road. 0-5 on the road...not good.
Go Phoenix!
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Post by firebird on Dec 20, 2007 21:46:04 GMT -5
Boy! I really don't know what to say about this. Maybe we were looking forward to UVA? A win on Saturday would really go a long way toward turning this thing around. But gosh, what a terrible disappointment tonight!
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Post by phanatics0708 on Dec 20, 2007 22:06:08 GMT -5
Pathetic. I watched it. Awful.
I will post my reactions tomorrow after I sleep off some of the frusteration. I think I would break alot of rules if I commented right now.
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Post by elon_phan on Dec 20, 2007 22:35:03 GMT -5
I was at the game. I was really impressed with how many Elon fans were there. There was a big group chanting "lets go Elon" during the second half. I was great to see TJ finally hit some shots and he rebounded too.
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Post by elonpride on Dec 20, 2007 23:21:50 GMT -5
Does everyone realize that Davidson, UNCG, GSU and possibly a couple others in the SoCon are all better than the bottom half of the ACC? This could be a LONG season if we can't beat teams like Penn on the road. This team could be 7-4 or even 8-3 right now, but they just can't finish games........or beat D-II teams missing a few players. If Wofford(who lost to our boys) can beat Purdue, Elon should be able to easily beat Penn, Tusculum and finish off a big game versus VT by a small margin. If the team is FINALLY at full stregnth by this weekend, they may be able to pull off an upset over UVA. My wife asked me today if we were going to the UVA game (45 minutes from our house).......I said, " it all depends on what we do against Penn. If we lose, then we won't bother." It's kind of sad seeing that just a few years ago, my friends and I would travel 2 states away to see Elon basketball. This year, I was reluctant to go to an Elon game 5 minutes from my house (VCU). Basically the only reason I went was to see my old friend EU99. This team can play, and they're currently playing DOWN to the competition. I know it's early in the season and I like our coach as a person, but I don't think Nestor is a capable coach for our school. Elon is now how many years into D-I play and the team is where? Losing to sub D-I teams (on several occasions) and losing to teams like Penn......UNACCEPTABLE.
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Post by ontheair on Dec 21, 2007 9:15:11 GMT -5
Does everyone realize that Davidson, UNCG, GSU and possibly a couple others in the SoCon Strike UNCG from that. Without Kyle Hines, they are in our position. Besides, they lost to Wofford. GSU....maybe. They gave a weakened Florida a scare. If only the Eagles would play defense more often.... I do think we should have had Penn. One thing to remember.....weird things happen in the Palestra. Its one of those buildings that gives a team an instant home court advtanage. Heck, when Villanova or any of the Big 5 play a team from outside Philly, its as if that is THEIR home court and not just Penn's. Plus, Penn has always been and forever will be a pesky Ivy League team no matter how bad they are. I do think we should have beat them and its not good that we didn't, but I don't consider Penn a bad loss. Brown....probably. If we lost to a middle of the pack Big South team, then I'd be right there with you.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Dec 21, 2007 9:18:08 GMT -5
Not to discourage anyone from making the trip, but this game is on CSN for anyone who picks up that channel.
I am glad to hear that there were a lot of Elon fans at the Penn game. There were quite a few at the VCU game as well. Sounds like we are starting to get a decent little following on the road, we just need to keep folks coming back by figuring out how to win a few of these games.
Go Phoenix!
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Post by yayelon on Dec 21, 2007 11:03:58 GMT -5
3-1 in conference
Nothing else matters. Sure it'd be nice to win an OOC road game but let them work through the kinks now and hit their stride come late Jan/Feb. Especially with five of the last six games being at home.
Although it is frustrating how this team under performs on the road. I'm not going to get all worked up over this loss. If anything I'm more frustrated by the Chatt loss, but this team is a lot better than I expected and I'm looking at a 7 or 8 conference win season. I do agree with the sentiment that Nestor should be gone after this season unless the team goes dancing or makes it to the finals of the tourney. He's had four or five years. (can't remember) One good season and the rest meh with some bad losses mixed in between.
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Post by ontheair on Dec 21, 2007 13:10:35 GMT -5
3-1 in conference Nothing else matters. Sure it'd be nice to win an OOC road game but let them work through the kinks now and hit their stride come late Jan/Feb. Especially with five of the last six games being at home. I do agree with the sentiment that Nestor should be gone after this season unless the team goes dancing or makes it to the finals of the tourney. He's had four or five years. (can't remember) One good season and the rest meh with some bad losses mixed in between. So close, no matter how far Couldn't be much more from the heart.... Alright, enough of that. Nothing Else Matters but 3-1 in conference? There is a team in the Division I ranks named Baylor two years ago that was forced to play a Big XII schedule only because of their crooked coach who fled. Only in that sense does nothing else matters. I'm sorry, but saying something like that means we shouldn't play any other games and that losing games out of conference isn't a big deal. While it may not be the end of the road, which what I think you are saying, there is some importance. In 2005-2006, when we lost to High Point, Trustees were grumbling because of our brutal start. Had Nestor not beaten Clemson and turned it around, we'd be in year two of another coach's tenure. That High Point loss could have been a crippling loss to Nestor, but it wasn't. Heck, Butler could have been that, too since it was an embarassment. They can matter. Donors take note of the bad real quickly SoCon or not. Conference is FAR more important, but if you get embarassed by a big team or Savannah State, we don't look too good. Conference can redeem us, but if we go 10-10 in conference, but lose all 8 (for example) non-conference games, we're 10-18. Not a good looking record. Conference is FAR more important, but these non-conference games are not worthless.
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Post by elonpride on Dec 21, 2007 13:42:55 GMT -5
3-1 in conference Nothing else matters. Sure it'd be nice to win an OOC road game but let them work through the kinks now and hit their stride come late Jan/Feb. Especially with five of the last six games being at home. Although it is frustrating how this team under performs on the road. I'm not going to get all worked up over this loss. If anything I'm more frustrated by the Chatt loss, but this team is a lot better than I expected and I'm looking at a 7 or 8 conference win season. I do agree with the sentiment that Nestor should be gone after this season unless the team goes dancing or makes it to the finals of the tourney. He's had four or five years. (can't remember) One good season and the rest meh with some bad losses mixed in between. That one good season was also played basically with another coach's recruits (Simons).
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Post by firebird on Dec 21, 2007 20:39:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure I follow the Baylor analogy, but I pretty much agree with everything else OTA said. I don't expect us to win against majors although winning against Clemson was the highlight of my Elon basketball fandom. I do expect that with a healthy (non suspended) starting lineup for us to beat teams like Furman, Wofford, WCU, etc. I certainly expect us to beat a team like Penn even without Constantine and Monty, and I expect a team full of D1 freshmen playing the first game of their college career to beat a team like Tusculum.
I have no inside info, at all, but I would guess that what OTA said above about the trustees watching is true this year as well, and I would bet that it goes double for Dave Blank.
I think this team is easily as talented as the 05-06 team and I'm hoping that we can turn this season around like we did that season. I, like I think most of us die hards, had been looking forward to this season ever since Montell was hurt last year. I just hope the team can pull out of this funk.
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Post by ontheair on Dec 21, 2007 21:09:30 GMT -5
No, no, no.....that was in '05-'06 when we lost to High Point...and Trustees were starting to rev-up those "I'm not happy" engines. That was in the past and I don't know what they are saying/thinking now.
For that Baylor analogy....the Dave Bliss mess forced them to a conference only schedule...they got a small version of the death penalty. So, for them, conference play was their season.
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Post by firebird on Dec 21, 2007 21:13:41 GMT -5
Poor wording - on my part. Didn't mean to suggest they are grumbling just yet, but I bet they and DB are closely watching.
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Post by elonpride on Dec 21, 2007 22:31:05 GMT -5
I really haven't been too happy with Nestor. Like I said, he seems to be a good person and promotes academics and team rules well, but we need other players to compliment the Atoybei's, James, and Watson's. Aside from Long, we really don't have that on a consistent basis.
Elon won the north division with Simons recruits. I really think the school should've stuck with him for a while. He guided Elon through so much and was obviously able to recruit players to get us to the next level. Granted, he had a couple "bad eggs," but you go through that while trying to find an idenity. Nestor hasn't been able to grab guys like Rice, Big Jack, Shamar Johnson, Brenden Rowell and Andrew Toole (thought Simons couldn't keep Toole). Maybe I'm being too critical, but I expect more when our school gets rid of a guy like Simons.
Simons was in touch with the players and the fans. I remember when my group of friends would travel around with the team.....from UVA, to GT and HPU......Simons encouraged the players to come up an thank us after the game, win or lose. Not too long after, some acutally knew our names and would say "what's up" when they would see us before the game started. It really made you feel like you made a difference cheering the team on......
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