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Post by elonpride on Aug 13, 2013 9:36:23 GMT -5
So at the moment, Quinn is the man at QB. From yesterday's practice report, it looked as if most QBs had good reps, all the way down to Scarpa. The one element seemingly missing was the mention of Vasey. The coaching staff seemed pretty high on the guy, and it's interesting there hasn't been too much talk of him recently. Is he injured?
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Post by phoenix2008 on Aug 13, 2013 10:00:57 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Aug 13, 2013 11:25:23 GMT -5
I believe this is big news. I say that because two of the last three QB's signed to scholarships have been moved. Blake Rice and now Vasey. Not a good sign. We now have four QB's two of which are walk-on true freshman.
In the FCS world of 63 scholarships, you can't have misses like this. We will now have to sign at least two QB's in this cycle.
Very expensive misses.
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Post by oldfan on Aug 13, 2013 12:16:06 GMT -5
I believe this is big news. I say that because two of the last three QB's signed to scholarships have been moved. Blake Rice and now Vasey. Not a good sign. We now have four QB's two of which are walk-on true freshman. In the FCS world of 63 scholarships, you can't have misses like this. We will now have to sign at least two QB's in this cycle. Very expensive misses. I agree, this is bad news. Not very good recruiting practices if you ask me. Additionally, I was just looking over the roster and noticed a very high percentage of under classmen. Appears depth is very thin. I compared the numbers on today's roster with 2010 and they are not good, IMO. These numbers are approximate but close. The percentage of F, RSF and Soph on todays roster is approx. 83% vs. 2010 roster which was 63%. What happened to the experienced depth on this team???
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Post by football3 on Aug 13, 2013 12:54:09 GMT -5
Let's try to look at the positive- two talented scholarship quarterbacks on depth chart. Quinn ( Lembo recruit- continues to make strides) True sign of depth at position- if Quinn wins starting job- you have 3 quarterbacks in 8 years... If Loughery wins job- 3 starters in 10 years... This is the FCS- Riddle had Donny Kirby- who was not a FCS caliber qb as a backup----depth at qb is better than it ever has been.
I honestly think the QB position is least of concerns.
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Post by phoenixfc on Aug 13, 2013 12:59:37 GMT -5
Well, on a positive note - wasn't Terrell Hugdkins recruited to be a QB at East Carolina? Granted - we had Riddle as QB, but what a positive he was for our program as WR. Wish we had more seniority in the program, but if the freshman can come out and play as well as some other freshmen have (like Riddle)...we'll be good to go. Tracey Coppedge was a freshman last year and as I recall, was pretty darn good. Yeah, it's good to have experienced upperclassmen...but if we managed to recruit better quality freshmen, the season may be a good surprise.
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Post by elonpride on Aug 13, 2013 13:35:45 GMT -5
I believe this is big news. I say that because two of the last three QB's signed to scholarships have been moved. Blake Rice and now Vasey. Not a good sign. We now have four QB's two of which are walk-on true freshman. In the FCS world of 63 scholarships, you can't have misses like this. We will now have to sign at least two QB's in this cycle. Very expensive misses. I agree with fc4life here for numerous reasons that have a domino effect, but then again I'm no coach. 1. OL is seemingly a huge issue, especially with all the injuries. 2. It seems with that issue, you would need someone nimble at QB, who can break tackles, move out of the pocket and improvise with his mobility. 3. There is a QB with that ability, but apparently had a little trouble picking up the playbook, versus a guy who has seen it for two years. The QB with the big body and the ability to run has been moved outside to WR. Look, this is no knock at Quinn. I think he would play extremely well with a good line. He's an intelligent guy with a good arm, but the line is looking inexperienced.
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Post by oldfan on Aug 13, 2013 14:17:00 GMT -5
Well, on a positive note - wasn't Terrell Hugdkins recruited to be a QB at East Carolina? Granted - we had Riddle as QB, but what a positive he was for our program as WR. Wish we had more seniority in the program, but if the freshman can come out and play as well as some other freshmen have (like Riddle)...we'll be good to go. Tracey Coppedge was a freshman last year and as I recall, was pretty darn good. Yeah, it's good to have experienced upperclassmen...but if we managed to recruit better quality freshmen, the season may be a good surprise. How many Riddles do you think are out there? Scott was a "diamond in the rough". If he had and inch or two more height, back then, he'd have been an FBS player. That aside, my point is we seem to have lost experienced players. One of the keys to a consistent program, IMO, is to balance in the number of players , spread over five years. This is a sound method of achieving experience and depth over the long haul. 2013 2010 Additionally in 2012 we had 36 Sophs and Jrs. This year the total is 25 Jr/Sr a loss of 11 experienced players, where did they go.Not sure about recruiting mgt. and keeping kids in program??? RSF 12 15 FR 32 25 S 35 18 Jr 16 19 Sr 9 17
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Post by elon_phan on Aug 13, 2013 15:05:36 GMT -5
Who are the injured offensive linemen? Are they out for the year?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:34:30 GMT -5
I don't think the move of Vasey to WR is a bad sign at all. Yes, maybe bad from the standpoint that a "top recruiter" should know what he has in a QB, ie. Loughery and Quinn and not spend a scholarship on another, but the Vasey kid is no doubt a good athlete, maybe just a little slow with regard to what it takes to be a FCS QB. I said when we were recruiting this kid that at 6'6" that there must be something wrong for him not to have gone BCS. This simply means that Quinn & Loughery must be developing well. Quinn is a Jr., Loughery is a Freshman, which means we should have pretty good talent at QB for the next 4 seasons. Regarding movement, I think Quinn moves pretty well, at least enough to move out of a collapsing pocket. So, if Vasey has good hands & can run a go, man think about having a 6'6" possession receiver!
Ingle has a concussion & will be out for a week to 10 days. He should be ready for GaTech.
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Post by dutch on Aug 13, 2013 19:21:35 GMT -5
What I understand is the Swep wants Vassey's skills on the field, not sitting the bench. People who have been to practice tell me that Vassey has had some impressive catches. Who knows the future, at 6'6" speed and future bulk, a return to QB or a specimen at tight end. time will tell. The other primary receivers are relatively small if I remember correctly and this may be a nice larger target, especially if he has the speed that is alluded to.
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Post by fightingchristianlb on Aug 13, 2013 21:37:49 GMT -5
After watching Vasey, he doesn't have the footwork or delivery to make it past 2nd string. His delivery has a lot of Byron Leftwich in it. His foot work was constantly crossing and he needed to take time and set up and whip his arm all the way through the throw. WR is an extremely good move for his career. You cant teach tall. He raises his arm and he has a 9 ft ceiling. Hello Fade route. Should Elon have noticed that the footwork and arm strength was up to par? Yes but 6-6 is hard to pass up. If Vasey buys in, He can turn the slot into a playmaking position. One stat that should be kept on him is passes for 1st downs.
As for QB movement, Quinn is the closest thing we have to a DT. What I would do is roll the pocket 5-8 plays a game. Flood the side that you roll to at the 8 yd, 13 yd, and 25 yd slots. If you play it correctly and make it a weapon, the LB's will key on the QB and hello jet sweep on the roll out action to the opposite side. This could work and Elon would surprise quite a bit. So Vasey moving to WR does raise questions but watching his film proves it is for the best.
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Post by whoanellie on Aug 13, 2013 21:42:03 GMT -5
I believe this is big news. I say that because two of the last three QB's signed to scholarships have been moved. Blake Rice and now Vasey. Not a good sign. We now have four QB's two of which are walk-on true freshman. In the FCS world of 63 scholarships, you can't have misses like this. We will now have to sign at least two QB's in this cycle. Very expensive misses. I agree, this is bad news. Not very good recruiting practices if you ask me. Additionally, I was just looking over the roster and noticed a very high percentage of under classmen. Appears depth is very thin. I compared the numbers on today's roster with 2010 and they are not good, IMO. These numbers are approximate but close. The percentage of F, RSF and Soph on todays roster is approx. 83% vs. 2010 roster which was 63%. What happened to the experienced depth on this team??? just remember Terrell Hudgins was a QB as well. good playmaking athletes at QB are given a shot and then get the best athletes on the field. period. already moved TE Richardson to OL too. redshirt this guy and I see a 4 year starter w/ great feet and and really good one. a miss is a guy that holds a clipboard for 3 seasons..
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Post by bhill483 on Aug 14, 2013 11:28:33 GMT -5
If he isn't going to be used as a QB, he has tremendous size that certainly has a place on the field, which I believe is lacking in our WR's with Mellette gone now. I am fine with him finding a way to the field if Mike Quinn is set to be the starter for the next couple of years.
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Post by oldfan on Aug 14, 2013 14:40:51 GMT -5
This move could be more about our WR situation, rather than our QB situation. Again, here are some numbers. There are 16 WR on the roster of which 5 are true freshman. One would hope, in a balanced recruiting plan that these 5 or atleast most of them would be redshirted. That leaves 11. Of the remaining, 1 RSF, 7soph., 2 Jr., 1 Sr. Again very poor recruiting balance. Where's the experience??? Where's the depth In 2010 there were 6 Frosh at the WR position on the roster. There is only 1 left as a current Sr. Very puzzling, don't you think?I feel Vassy is more valuable at WR than QB with the apparent, possible weakness in our receiving corp. You can't expect much with only three upper classmen. The bigger question is, what's going on with player retention and the achievment of balanced recruiting classes?
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