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Post by The truth on Sept 18, 2016 19:35:35 GMT -5
Well said....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:31:06 GMT -5
It pains me to say this, but the two scholarship QBs we have are not FCS caliber. Fightn, With all due respect, I think it's a bit early to make that judgment. I say that ONLY because I think the play calling has been severely unaggressive, and sometimes mind-boggling. For example, one thing that stood out for me last year was CC's ability on a rollout. In the first game, I don't think he rolled out once. On DT's third play, a rollout to the right. You may well be right, but I really don't think play calling has allowed them to showcase what they can do. I also think they are hampered by the inability of the receivers to gain separation -- not to mention the drops that have plagued them the past couple years. I'm not saying that CC and DT can't become upper echelon FCS QBs, but I would think it's obvious to everyone that they aren't right now. I ranted on another thread a week or so ago about the plays/scheme not taking into account the strengths, (or lack thereof), of our players. I also stated that when the QBs made a successful pass that often it was dropped. I'm not putting everything on the QBs heads. I promise you, if we had Warren Ruggiero or a similarly skilled individual as the OC and QB coach, there's no telling to where they might ascend. But right now DT is nowhere near where we need him to be. Neither was CC before he got hurt. Also, I would defy you to find a bigger Skrosky fan than me. But, it's very obvious that the job isn't getting done. I do hope Skrosky can get things figured out.
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Post by Elon '66 on Sept 18, 2016 21:56:16 GMT -5
I, too, am a Hugh Skrosky fan, however, the buck does stop there. Maybe we do not or cannot pay enough to entice and retain a quality coordinator on either side of the ball. The fact that they either are not willing to or not capable of making adjustments at halftime befuddles me. If you continue doing the same thing quarter after quarter and game after game the results will be the same. If something isn't done sooner than later, neither Skrosky nor the rest of the staff will make to another year......or at least they should not. Recruiting has not been the problem up to now but, after three years at the bottom looking up, recruiting will get harder. The kids want to win, they just have not been prepared to perform to win. I will continue to support this team, no matter how painful it will be, but the players deserve better. See all of ya'll in Williamsburg!
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Post by elonpride on Sept 19, 2016 7:18:28 GMT -5
A win is a win.... * We were awful on third down. 3-13! * D played well. * We could have had many more of our QB could have connected on a few passes. Missed a number of wide open receivers. * I'm a little fearful of what the rest of the CAA is going to do to us if we can't score. We settled for field goals against an inferior team. * The real season begins next week. I hope we make some noise. Agree on all points here. A ton of teams are looking pretty solid in the CAA. It's a real possibility we see zero wins the rest of year. Let's hope Skrosky has something big up his sleeve. I was a little impressed with Hughes coming in at the end of the game. Rattled off a long run right away, and threw 2 nice balls to the WRs. Would have been nice to see him play a little more on Saturday.
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Post by Flying Phoenix on Sept 19, 2016 7:23:36 GMT -5
Obviously it is well known the our OC is strictly the OC for the from financial reasons. He makes no play calls. Supposedly he was highly sought after as he was at Rutgers before coming here where he probably made a good amount of money. Not sure he is really worth it from an OC stand point as well as an OL coach.
Our DC is young but has experience coaching every position on defense. He has been a position coach more than a year. Obviously I understand that he has not been an DC before. I think the jury is still out on that move I mean Petercuskie wasn't setting the world on fire with his defense the previous 2 seasons and we graduated most of the DLine and lost Mitchell. Also when your offense struggles so much the defense is on the field a lot more than it should be.
With all this being said I totally agree that it seems that we don't make adjustments at half at all. I know you don't want to go away from who you are but still need to change things up if they aren't working.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 8:00:33 GMT -5
I'm not saying all is well on D, but if you can't score TDs against D1 teams you're sunk. I figured we'd have some trouble this year with D even with good coaching because of the depletion of the DL. With decent coaching, that will get better over the season, hopefully.
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Post by Johnny on Sept 19, 2016 8:51:24 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts and agree with the majority of the above..
- not recruiting a QB in the 2016 class was a massive mistake
- skrosky's refusal to target potential transfers and JUCOs is a problem. Ideal way to find a QB that can play and buy us time. Might find a playmaker or 2 as well.
- a number of the assistant coaches were GAs prior to joining Elon. They are learning as well.
This process is going to be a long burn. 3-8 best case this year. We beat URI and upset somebody/anybody!!
Did you see what stony brook did to Richmond?
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Post by elonpride on Sept 19, 2016 8:59:26 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts and agree with the majority of the above.. - not recruiting a QB in the 2016 class was a massive mistake - skrosky's refusal to target potential transfers and JUCOs is a problem. Ideal way to find a QB that can play and buy us time. Might find a playmaker or 2 as well. - a number of the assistant coaches were GAs prior to joining Elon. They are learning as well. This process is going to be a long burn. 3-8 best case this year. We beat URI and upset somebody/anybody!! Did you see what stony brook did to Richmond? Yeah, that SB/Richmond game was quite the surprise. Richmond was my preseason pick to win the national title. Looks like turnovers are what doomed UR giving SB some short fields.
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Post by Frustrated Fan on Sept 19, 2016 9:13:40 GMT -5
Well, three weeks into another season and I see the same opinions and arguments all over. See new faces posting and some new hidden parents calling for freshmen to play. Its repetitive folks.
We can wait another year with patience but bottom line is that if we are struggling against the likes of FSU, we have little to be excited about when we enter the CAA. The bottom line, Skrosky isn't getting it done - note:
a.) 2 Scholarship QB's in three classes? Really especially after last year when we struggled at that position? b.) Skrosky played his freshman on offense last year and we scored less points per game than the year before and at least 50% less than during the ill fated Swepson years when we would regularly score 22pts or more per game. c.) Skrosky didnt utilize the upperclassmen which showed promise as they rose in the program whether it be in scrimmages, or games but went with HIS recruits and oversaw an offense that was all too predictable and failed much of the season to move the ball. d.) HOWEVER Skrosky's D Coordinator last year mixed upperclassmen with freshmen and produced a strong defense that kept us in most of the games last year and allowed the offense to continue plugging along until they made some plays to win. That coordinator up and retired immediately. d.) Skrosky was an O Coordinator and yet our longest struggling area is the offense? Curious as to why a previous MAC Conference Coordinator cannot get regular top flight QB's to want to come to our beautiful campus with excellent facilities and a 65% female to male ratio to play for him? 2 in three years? e.) If any of you attend games regularly, and never played football, the predictability of the offense is ridiculous. For the better part of two years, we ran the same screen passes and after losing yards on them would immediately follow up with a draw up the middle. Creativity is NOT a strong point. f.) Vast majority of the fifth year eligible players are NOT coming back for one reason or another. AND we are not getting ANY 5th year transfers when we have excellent grad programs...this should be a stop gap when you dont get quality recruits.
Look, I am sure we all want the same thing for our Phoenix, but this is NOT moving in the right direction, plain and simple. I believe we HAVE the athletes / players to compete NOW. Our roster is littered with bios that match any other CAA team and you can see the talent flash from time to time. However, if we as armchair coaches in the stands can see predictability in the play calling what do you think the kids in the locker room feel? Let alone the coaches on the other sideline! Again, if our D Coordinator can make a solid unit matching two staff's recruits to field a competitive week in and week out unit, it tells me we have a pulse. But when our offense looks as plain as in years past and we cannot score on a DII team, and doesnt look considerably better than the past two years, there is an underlying problem. Our defense with a new D coordinator is struggling, probably because this new coach is NEW. But our offense with a HC who was a Coordinator at a higher levels comes in an cannot get his players, in three years, to develop? Its not rocket science - and it falls squarely at Skrosky and Blank's feet. It's just painful to watch and unfortunately, looks like its going to get much worse after this week for the rest of the season...
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Post by Johnny on Sept 19, 2016 10:21:18 GMT -5
The argument about "play more freshmen" is stupid and along the lines that there are "a number of players on this roster that can play at the FBS level". Ridiculous.
Skrosky has determined this team's future. Too late to change now and recruiting is going to get more and more difficult.
The question is will Lambert force a change?
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Post by fc4life on Sept 19, 2016 10:57:45 GMT -5
Lambert does not care. He talks a good game, but in the end. He does not care. He and the admin have created an atmosphere on game day that has driven nearly every student away. He knows he'll get them two games a year, parents weekend and homecoming. Those coincide with asking for $$.
The atmosphere? Losing and socially engineered tailgate rules that do not encourage kids to come. Trust me on that. If we had a winning program and the ability for kids to act like college kids. There are bigger crowds at off-campus houses on a Sat afternoon than at the game. These are not the days of kids leaving to go home every weekend like the 70's and 80's. These kids come from across the country. They have nothing to do on a Sat - however, they still don't come to games.
Talk to any undergrad student and they believe our program is a joke.
That starts with Leo and Blank.
As I've said before, two bad hires by Blank have set this program back 15 years. We are regressing.
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Post by elonfan10 on Sept 19, 2016 11:43:32 GMT -5
5 QBs on roster, one a transfer from DI Butler (non-scholarship). Who is next in line? Next QB in line is #13 Conor Hughes. Here is his bio from the Elon site: First-team all-state selection… Named Central Jersey Offensive Player of the Year, county offensive player of the year and all-area as a kicker… Team captain… Helped coach Bill Tracy’s program to a 12-0 season and a state title in 2013… Completed 115 of 185 passes for 1,768 yards and 18 touchdowns as a senior… Added 418 yards and four scores on the ground that same year.
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Post by Johnny on Sept 19, 2016 12:44:29 GMT -5
The game atmosphere is horrible and the parking lot security people take their jobs way too seriously.
Depressing that this year is basically over and it's only week 3.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Sept 19, 2016 13:25:14 GMT -5
The game atmosphere is horrible and the parking lot security people take their jobs way too seriously. Depressing that this year is basically over and it's only week 3. I was telling someone on Saturday that all of the gameday changes made have been great IMO. All the stadium updates are awesome and it all lends itself to a great gameday. The problem is the product on the field is terrible right now and it completely overshadows everything else. It's like being handed a present every week in a really fancy package and then opening it only to find a pair of socks. I appreciate all the effort going into the marketing and videos to build interest and excitement, but it all comes across really poorly when the results don't match the hype. If the team was winning or even competitive I think the total package would be a lot more interesting. The brand of football I saw on Saturday was tedious and not exciting. I actually had to run to the restroom right after the FG before the half and saw at least 100 people already lined up to go into the Phoenix Club area. These are your supposed die-hards and they'd rather line up for 20 minutes of snacks than watch a scoring drive at the end of the half. Not good. As someone who despised Swepson, I don't understand why Skrosky gets a longer leash. I saw some hope last year in CAA play, but if they can't muster 1-2 CAA wins something has to be done. Football is too big of a drain on Elon athletics to not be good for 5-10 years. Go Phoenix!
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Post by whoanellie on Sept 19, 2016 13:28:37 GMT -5
W Do have a kicker and better be recruiting one for next year or find a soccer player that can double dip just say'n
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