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Furman
Nov 12, 2017 10:58:22 GMT -5
Post by Dougie on Nov 12, 2017 10:58:22 GMT -5
I am turning the page because I don't feel like we have any data from the first two games. This is a good test on the road against a decent team picked to win the SoCon. Looking forward to the "first" game of the season to start seeing what we've got. My expectation is that this team should not finish below #4 in this conference barring some terrible injuries. From there, anything from 1-4 should be in play
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 10:48:31 GMT -5
Post by euphoenix99 on Nov 14, 2017 10:48:31 GMT -5
Agreed on this being the first true measuring stick.
Furman lost their coach to Drake in the offseason, but return a lot of talent.
The game is on ESPN3.
I also saw Milwaukee (Sunday opponent) beat Iowa State by 18 last night in Ames.
Go Phoenix!
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 15:24:37 GMT -5
Post by elonpride on Nov 14, 2017 15:24:37 GMT -5
Furman has some talent, no doubt. Very highly thought of in the preseason polls. They lost in the CIT semis last season by 26 to a team Elon beat on the road by 15.
I'm interested to see how this one goes. Before the season started, I thought this could be the best team Elon's had since going D1, but the game at Duke got out of hand fairly quickly. Turnovers look to be an issue....
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 16:00:21 GMT -5
Post by phoenixfc on Nov 14, 2017 16:00:21 GMT -5
Yes, we had turnovers against Duke and it was disappointing to say the least...but to the #1 team in the country, and not to mention, the major difference in height. One of the tallest teams probably in years, if ever...more like an NBA team, was my impression. It's a shame the teams can't go to Europe every year, to get that early playing time "as a team"...I think that helps every team who has the chance to go. I threw the Duke game out of my memory book already. Hopefully we get a better idea tonight of what the season will be.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 16:53:56 GMT -5
Post by elonpride on Nov 14, 2017 16:53:56 GMT -5
Yes, we had turnovers against Duke and it was disappointing to say the least...but to the #1 team in the country, and not to mention, the major difference in height. ......Had 16 turnovers versus William Peace (WP had 15).
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 20:43:46 GMT -5
Post by Dougie on Nov 14, 2017 20:43:46 GMT -5
A really disappointing loss. Too many turnovers, offensive rebounds, sloppy possessions on offense and defensive breakdowns for a veteran team to make. Little things count so much in tough games on the road especially. It is why this story has repeated itself so many times under Matheny.
From the 11 to 8 minute mark of the 2nd half, we had one starter on the floor (Thompson). Barring multiple injuries, that should never, ever happen. This was a back and forth game and that stretch was the one that made all the difference in the world. Furman opened up an 11 point lead and not even a timeout or a sub to stop the run.
I don’t want to hear simplistic analysis like the season is young. Of course, we all know that. You cannot start giving away games in the first game of the season. Credit to Furman. They were the smarter and far tougher team and deserved to win.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 20:49:53 GMT -5
Post by euphoenix99 on Nov 14, 2017 20:49:53 GMT -5
A really disappointing loss. Too many turnovers, offensive rebounds, sloppy possessions on offense and defensive breakdowns for a veteran team to make. Little things count so much in tough games on the road especially. It is why this story has repeated itself so many times under Matheny. From the 11 to 8 minute mark of the 2nd half, we had one starter on the floor (Thompson). Barring multiple injuries, that should never, ever happen. This was a back and forth game and that stretch was the one that made all the difference in the world. Furman opened up an 11 point lead and not even a timeout or a sub to stop the run. I don’t want to hear simplistic analysis like the season is young. Of course, we all know that. You cannot start giving away games in the first game of the season. Credit to Furman. They were the smarter and far tougher team and deserved to win. No kidding. Terrible 2nd half. Slow and lazy on defense and Furman running circles around them. Elon shooting guards showed nothing. An especially embarrassing performance for them. Go Phoenix!
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 20:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Nov 14, 2017 20:53:26 GMT -5
Brutal showing tonight.
We were dominated on the offensive glass - That an effort thing.
Still have trouble if threes don’t fall 5-24 from three point land.
Really, really difficult to watch tonight.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 20:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by Elon on Nov 14, 2017 20:55:02 GMT -5
We are really not good. I’ll say it again, we won’t finish in the top half of the CAA. It’s really disappointing to see how horribly slow we are even compared to Furman. Matheny has recruited slow, non athletic “shooters” to fit his system. The system is old antiquated and ineffective. Has in years past, the one athletic player we have is on a leash. Slow, boring, ineffective. Fc4 is right about rolling the Schor: we absolutely won’t fill it with this boring brand of basketball. We won’t fill Alumni if we keep this sorryness up. VERY DISAPPOINTING.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 20:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by Elon on Nov 14, 2017 20:58:18 GMT -5
Did everyone see how gassed we were in the last 8 minutes? This team is nowhere near being in basketball shape.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 21:19:57 GMT -5
Post by Dougie on Nov 14, 2017 21:19:57 GMT -5
Looks like everyone feels as aggravated as me. I still think we will finish top 5 of 10 in the CAA but I am only saying that so people don't use that as a defense (or against you) later in the year. Even that is not good enough. This team should be better than that. I don't see any points made that I can disagree with, which is too bad for us
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 21:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Nov 14, 2017 21:21:41 GMT -5
We’re a program that should not be having these issues this far into a coaches tenure.
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Furman
Nov 14, 2017 22:22:41 GMT -5
Post by Elon-Fan on Nov 14, 2017 22:22:41 GMT -5
Furman just flat out more skilled than us
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Furman
Nov 15, 2017 8:06:29 GMT -5
Post by Tommy Boy on Nov 15, 2017 8:06:29 GMT -5
I thought this was going to be a "W" for us. Elon's story in the past has been our post getting out performed. Offensively our two post players were more talented than Furman but failure to rebound is going to be a problem. We gave up 6 offensive rebounds to one Furman post player who is average. Even with this short coming our major weakness last night was perimeter defense absolutely not existent. I felt sorry for our guards expecting them to guard someone without fouling them. Furman perimeter got any shot they wished layup or jumper. Elon with this roster and no shot blocker and a perimeter who is unable to keep an opponent in front of them. Coaching staff has only one option on the defensive end going forward is zone. Zone is a four letter word for me. I hate it. Elon has no other option. Fans will be watching a majority of zone defense this season and next season unless we get either more athletic and harder nosed athletes into the program. Luther and Eberhardt may get a greater opportunity to be on the floor because of their length? I feel our offense will come around but the defense is a nightmare. At the end of the game, the final four minutes the on the ball defense couldn't put any pressure on the ball; absolutely no pressure- sickening. Disappointed but still believe it is possible to be top 5 in conference with some improving
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Furman
Nov 15, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -5
Post by A Friend on Nov 15, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -5
Plenty of opinions regarding the team. What is important, IMO, is the lack of growth with this team. This is a failure of coaching.
I believe the team can right the ship. Major changes are needed with the philosophy of the team. Again, this starts with coaching. For years the team has been a "perimeter" based team. Hit the threes, we do well. Miss threes, we fall short. At no time in the past few years has there been an emphasis to get interior points. The last time we had a concerted effort to have the post be productive, is when Lucas played. Because we only try to score in one manner, we fail when teams restrict our perimeter game. Having a definitive post component will open the perimeter up for shots.
I disagree with Tommy Boy regarding the post players. They are a strength not being exploited. Dawkins is a 3 who plays the post by default, i.e., there is no one else to do it. That said, review some old game footage. Dawkins sets up in the post early in our offensive sets. Dawkins is open and signals for the ball, yet our guards are dribbling and don't see him open or try to get him the ball. When they do see him the defense has adjusted and frequently steals any inside passes. The subs do a better job getting the ball to Karolis than our starters do to Dawkins or Seibring. During the Duke game Dawkins got one Duke player in early foul trouble and he also frustrated Bagley. Rather than capitalize on this, and attack the interior, we played perimeter ball and got blown out.
Our post players are frequently out of position trying to help cover the opponents guards who have beat out guards. This is what they should do, but the rotation to cover the opponents' big men is not there. This is not a failure of the big men.
There are several elephants in the room. Matheny is not a good in game tactician, i.e., he does not make good in game adjustments. He allows teams to go on runs without calling crucial time outs to stop the bleeding. His substitution patterns are bizarre, at best. You can get more people involved by substituting smartly, letting the subs work with the starters.
Matheny has some players on a leash, (Meech, Dawkins) while he allows other players to do what they want (Santa Ana, Swoopes). Santa Ana has not played well in two years. Why is he starting? Swoopes looks to score first, then pass. This is where Luke Eddy is truly missed.
Matheny has had good, agile players. Blake, Hairston were never properly utilized. Now it is Dawkins and Dmitri. Again, these are players who are restricted from being good. Any foul or turnover they make results in them being subbed out. Name any other players on a leash like these two.
Matheny should learn from Cignetti. Cignetti is willing to try something different to get positive results. After 9 years, I think expecting Matheny to be open to winning, via different methods, is not unreasonable. I could give coach a pass if I thought he used all the bullets in his holster, instead of just one. If we were competitive in defeat, I would be okay. We are not competitive and this is what is frustrating.
Matheny has done some good things. He is a good brand ambassador, graduates his players, runs a clean program. If these are the school's goals, he is a smashing success. It's time for winning to also be a goal.
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