everelon
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Post by everelon on Mar 3, 2018 20:48:28 GMT -5
Picked third with 5 starters returning and finish DEAD LAST. No coaching!
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Post by Dougie on Mar 3, 2018 22:13:18 GMT -5
It is unfathomable. I am heartbroken and furious all at once. All of us here obviously love Elon basketball. Hell, there are only about 30 of us in all. We deserve better
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Mar 3, 2018 22:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by BrownBag on Mar 3, 2018 22:23:55 GMT -5
I think you guys were a bit overzealous in the past but I cant defend the ending to this season.
If Elon decides to make a move on from MM, I can't blame them.
The job should be appealing with new gym.
If MM had a great recruiting class coming in due to new gym, I would say give him time. It doesn't appear he has it though.
That has been his failure, recruiting. Though he was selling recruits the oppty to play in a HS gym, he just wasnt able to sell the new gym.
Bc of that and losing the seniors with THIS type of season, he has nothing to point to as a way forward.
He built it his way, it didnt work out. He will be ok and land on his feet.
MM did some good things at Elon but I think with the new gym, you guys should start a new chapter.
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Post by whoanellie on Mar 3, 2018 23:57:38 GMT -5
no momentum moving into the Schar Center next fall, the conference basement is a bad place to be
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Post by 82hawk on Mar 4, 2018 7:02:41 GMT -5
Elon does not have a roster that can compete in the CAA for a full season, that's the problem. You need good guard play and simply don't have it. That falls on the philosophy and style of your coach. If I were the AD, i'd look for another coach. The risk is greater in keeping a failing coach than the upside of potentially getting a good coach.
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Post by elonlax01 on Mar 4, 2018 8:53:42 GMT -5
It certainly was a disappointing end of the season. With a brand new president I don't think that Blank will move to make a change. Outside of the record, this coaching staff has done too good a job at not causing any trouble and bringing good citizens to campus for Blank or the new President to demand a change. I think that instead of firing, it is more likely that Matheny would pro-actively move on if he found a top assistant job at a bigger program.
So assuming there is not going to be massive change, here are some suggestions that could positively impact the product on the court.
1. Addition of an older more seasoned, more connected assistant coach who can impact recruiting, defensive philosophy, and internal competition. I don't know the specific rules about assistants but it always seems that every other CAA team has a larger staff and always has 1-2 older guys on the bench. It seems like this program needs some "crusty". 2. It is time to take some chances on recruits. This athletic department is risk adverse and it makes sense that athletic department wants to avoid bringing negative light to campus, but there are now 30-40 million reasons to change this approach. So it makes sense to change this philosophy from wanting "no-risk" recruits to trying to give new opportunities to people that deserve a chance at success. 3. There should be a mandate to reassess distribution of in-game responsibilities. Matheny needs to give up substitutions to an assistant.
Just some thoughts. Hopefully everyone recognizes that the current on the court product is not acceptable for the new building.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Mar 4, 2018 9:34:49 GMT -5
Elon does not have a roster that can compete in the CAA for a full season, that's the problem. You need good guard play and simply don't have it. That falls on the philosophy and style of your coach. If I were the AD, i'd look for another coach. The risk is greater in keeping a failing coach than the upside of potentially getting a good coach.Your last sentence says it all. The decision ultimately reflects on the AD and if he can't take action then you can just as well be talking about a "failing" AD. No other fan base would tolerate these results after 9 years. It's not good for Elon, it's not good for the CAA and it's certainly not good for the fanbase. Go Phoenix!
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Post by euphoenix99 on Mar 4, 2018 9:53:23 GMT -5
It certainly was a disappointing end of the season. With a brand new president I don't think that Blank will move to make a change. Outside of the record, this coaching staff has done too good a job at not causing any trouble and bringing good citizens to campus for Blank or the new President to demand a change. I think that instead of firing, it is more likely that Matheny would pro-actively move on if he found a top assistant job at a bigger program. So assuming there is not going to be massive change, here are some suggestions that could positively impact the product on the court. 1. Addition of an older more seasoned, more connected assistant coach who can impact recruiting, defensive philosophy, and internal competition. I don't know the specific rules about assistants but it always seems that every other CAA team has a larger staff and always has 1-2 older guys on the bench. It seems like this program needs some "crusty". 2. It is time to take some chances on recruits. This athletic department is risk adverse and it makes sense that athletic department wants to avoid bringing negative light to campus, but there are now 30-40 million reasons to change this approach. So it makes sense to change this philosophy from wanting "no-risk" recruits to trying to give new opportunities to people that deserve a chance at success. 3. There should be a mandate to reassess distribution of in-game responsibilities. Matheny needs to give up substitutions to an assistant. Just some thoughts. Hopefully everyone recognizes that the current on the court product is not acceptable for the new building. I'm worried you are right about not wanting to upset the apple cart with a new president. It's a terrible reason not to take action though. Her being president has nothing to do with the task at hand. If she's the leader she was brought in to be she should be all for it. Honestly if Matt has any shred of self-awareness he'll step down. I really do think we've been patient as a fanbase. I'm just tired of being hopeful at the beginning of the season and then once conference play starts remembering we don't have the tools to win a CAA tourney. If Matheny was even delivering Shaver results I'd be happy even without the NCAA tourney appearances. W&M at least appears to have a shot each year. Matheny's teams simply have zero chance. Why would the fans travel to Charleston to watch? Why should I be excited about next year? What's going to be different? We all spotted the hole in the ship after the Milwaukee game. The ship has sunk. Time for a new captain. Go Phoenix!
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Post by whoanellie on Mar 4, 2018 19:53:19 GMT -5
what are the hot names circulating about that could take Elon to a postseason appearance? I have no clue
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Mar 4, 2018 20:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Mar 4, 2018 20:16:30 GMT -5
If a move is not made this week, it’s not going to happen.
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Post by phoenix15 on Mar 5, 2018 9:21:32 GMT -5
Agreed FC4life. This is the week to get it done. Here is to hoping Blank comes to his senses and makes the change to get this program and university to the next step. New arena, new coach, new hope.
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Post by Dougie on Mar 5, 2018 9:31:45 GMT -5
Agreed, although the smart money says we will stay the course and be stuck in neutral (arguably reverse)
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Mar 5, 2018 9:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Mar 5, 2018 9:44:35 GMT -5
Other programs have already announced changes at the top. In our own state, WCU will be led by a new coach next year.
New arena, new leadership!
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Post by euphoenix99 on Mar 5, 2018 10:45:25 GMT -5
Did anyone notice there was only one senior on the All CAA first and second teams? The CAA is going to be even stronger next year.
We were talking at the beginning of the year about if Matheny didn't win a conference tournament game it might be time for him to go. None of us could have imagined a last place finish. If Blank can't take action now I don't know what it's going to take. Matheny has made it easy for him. Had they finished 5th or 6th we wouldn't have much of a case, but this really is a no brainer. There's no two ways about it.
Go Phoenix!
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Mar 5, 2018 17:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by fc4life on Mar 5, 2018 17:32:07 GMT -5
For reference, 17 D1 schools have had coaching changes. Only one has been filled.
Many of those changes have taken place in the last two days.
The line is forming.
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