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Oct 9, 2024 12:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by eu96 on Oct 9, 2024 12:30:14 GMT -5
Big game Sat for all the wrong reasons. An 0-4 home stand against moderate competition will mark the low point in TT’s tenure, and will effectively torpedo the season. Does it put Tony on the hot seat? Maybe.
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Oct 9, 2024 13:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by bjiyf on Oct 9, 2024 13:20:53 GMT -5
Unless we have overhauled our offense and made a firm commitment to playing much more aggressive football, I’m afraid this will be another loss. I’m not sure why they came up with the delay, pass behind the line of scrimmage and only long bomb passing, but we simply don’t have the personnel to carry this out. I’ll be at the game Saturday, but it may be my last for the year if we continue continue what we’ve done so far this season.
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Oct 10, 2024 7:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by fearthephoenix on Oct 10, 2024 7:26:42 GMT -5
BJ, I am with you. If the Phoenix lose four straight at home, then changes have to happen. Also, supposedly it’s Fall Break on campus right now? Who would schedule a home game during Fall Break?
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Oct 10, 2024 8:50:50 GMT -5
Post by phawkes on Oct 10, 2024 8:50:50 GMT -5
I will be watching on Flo as usual, but I'm not expecting a win. Too many, and too big, changes are needed.
I don't think Coach is on the hot seat (not that I want him to be), because administration has low, or no, expectations from the football program.
There may be many reasons why a game is scheduled on fall break, but the main reason (see previous sentence) is administration is not invested in football, at least not sufficiently, in my view.
But I'm a diehard, so . . .
Go, Phoenix!
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Oct 10, 2024 9:47:48 GMT -5
Post by euphoenix99 on Oct 10, 2024 9:47:48 GMT -5
I doubt Elon has a whole lot of control on home games during fall break, especially with it being part of the conference schedule. Someone has to play at home.
With that said, does it really matter? We seem content with a middling coach that's causing interest to wane with diehards, so how can we expect others to get excited whether it's fall break or not? We'll prob have an attendance of 4K vs the normal 5 or 6K.
Will be there despite.
Go Phoenix!
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Oct 10, 2024 10:04:38 GMT -5
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Post by eu96 on Oct 10, 2024 10:04:38 GMT -5
Elon has zero control regarding scheduling of conf games. That’s set at CAA HQ. For the record, I like Tony. As most of you know, I hate FCS football. One reason (of many) is the talent drain it has caused at our level. Position coaches at every P4 school, along with many Group of 5 schools, make more than FCS HEAD Coaches. This is a new phenomenon. What it does is that it takes talented coaches who would come up through the FCS pipeline in previous years and puts them into FBS roles sooner. That leaves FCS with the crumbs. So..if you find a semi-talented coach who actually WANTS to be in FCS, you better hold on to them. I think Tony fits in the category. He 100% could make more as the linebackers coach at Indiana.
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Post by epx on Oct 10, 2024 10:56:54 GMT -5
Elon has zero control regarding scheduling of conf games. That’s set at CAA HQ. For the record, I like Tony. As most of you know, I hate FCS football. One reason (of many) is the talent drain it has caused at our level. Position coaches at every P4 school, along with many Group of 5 schools, make more than FCS HEAD Coaches. This is a new phenomenon. What it does is that it takes talented coaches who would come up through the FCS pipeline in previous years and puts them into FBS roles sooner. That leaves FCS with the crumbs. So..if you find a semi-talented coach who actually WANTS to be in FCS, you better hold on to them. I think Tony fits in the category. He 100% could make more as the linebackers coach at Indiana. I agree with what you've said here. I'm a Trisciani fan, but I'm more of an Elon football fan. So what ever is the best for the program is what needs to be done, (within our limitations). We have Folmar because Cignetti pretty much knew Shanahan was his future OC. (He kept the JMU OC for 1 season, probably for continuity, then inserted Shanahan). I don't know that Trisciani hasn't been looking for a better OC but is afraid he can't get better at the available salary. That's pure conjecture, but I do understand your point. You either catch someone on the way up and keep them for a year or two, or live below par with what you've got.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Oct 10, 2024 13:04:22 GMT -5
Elon has zero control regarding scheduling of conf games. That’s set at CAA HQ. For the record, I like Tony. As most of you know, I hate FCS football. One reason (of many) is the talent drain it has caused at our level. Position coaches at every P4 school, along with many Group of 5 schools, make more than FCS HEAD Coaches. This is a new phenomenon. What it does is that it takes talented coaches who would come up through the FCS pipeline in previous years and puts them into FBS roles sooner. That leaves FCS with the crumbs. So..if you find a semi-talented coach who actually WANTS to be in FCS, you better hold on to them. I think Tony fits in the category. He 100% could make more as the linebackers coach at Indiana. This is not just an FCS issue, it's also a G5 (or G6 if you include the shell of the PAC 12). Everyone is dealing with the same challenges. It's not the fans' job to figure out how to navigate it. I don't think Trisciani is a terrible coach. I also don't think he's a great coach and will likely never deliver a season that we as fans want and expect. If the goal is to celebrate 6-5 seasons, with an occasional 7-4 season and a first round playoff exit, then we're in a great spot. To use Elon's mantra, there is certainly nothing "bold" about what's happening with Elon football. Go Phoenix!
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Oct 10, 2024 14:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by fearthephoenix on Oct 10, 2024 14:56:32 GMT -5
I also don't think he's a great coach and will likely never deliver a season that we as fans want and expect. If the goal is to celebrate 6-5 seasons, with an occasional 7-4 season and a first round playoff exit, then we're in a great spot. Respectfully, we haven’t won a conference championship since 1981 while in the NAIA. We have only reached 9 wins once since 2000. Since being in the NCAA, we have 4 playoff appearances in almost 25 years. So what hasn’t Trisciani provided that Cignetti or Lembo did? The expectation has always been there because we are fans and we want to see and support a winner, but in simply looking at results, please tell me what is the season that fans and want and expect, but most importantly, what on Earth has given them the reason to think it is coming? As we have all stated, athletics has always been on back burner of Elon, before Strawley and before Book. It hasn’t changed so I’m unsure on what everyone’s expectations are if a playoff appearance is simply no longer good enough.
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Post by phawkes on Oct 11, 2024 8:48:23 GMT -5
What a diehard fan (me) wants: 1) a team that plays 4 quarters every game, 2) a head coach that inspires players to pursue excellence, 3) a team that is in the running every season for a conference championship and/or a playoff spot, 4) play-calling that is both creative and aggressive (not pitifully inefficient trick plays, but at the very least has more running plays than just between-the-tackles and inconsistent jet sweeps), 5) a Phoenix website that always has a football feature in the news thread, 6) a team that wins all the games it should win, fights ferociously in the all the games it can win, and once in a while wins a game it should not win (FBS or top-tier FCS whether CAA or other conference).
What a diehard fan (me) actually expects currently: status quo.
I haven't been this discouraged since the end of the 2016 season (2-9 overall, 1-7 conference), after which I refused to buy season tickets for 2017, then came Cignetti. I've seen programs like Western Carolina, UAlbany, Rhode Island make significant changes for the better, while watching the Phoenix struggle even in seasons when we had winning records (2021, 2022, 2023).
Rant concluded.
Go, Phoenix!
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Post by fearthephoenix on Oct 11, 2024 9:02:25 GMT -5
What a diehard fan (me) wants: 1) a team that plays 4 quarters every game, 2) a head coach that inspires players to pursue excellence, 3) a team that is in the running every season for a conference championship and/or a playoff spot, 4) play-calling that is both creative and aggressive (not pitifully inefficient trick plays, but at the very least has more running plays than just between-the-tackles and inconsistent jet sweeps), 5) a Phoenix website that always has a football feature in the news thread, 6) a team that wins all the games it should win, fights ferociously in the all the games it can win, and once in a while wins a game it should not win (FBS or top-tier FCS whether CAA or other conference). What a diehard fan (me) actually expects currently: status quo. I haven't been this discouraged since the end of the 2016 season (2-9 overall, 1-7 conference), after which I refused to buy season tickets for 2017, then came Cignetti. I've seen programs like Western Carolina, UAlbany, Rhode Island make significant changes for the better, while watching the Phoenix struggle even in seasons when we had winning records (2021, 2022, 2023). Rant concluded. Go, Phoenix! Phawkes, thanks for the response and I think all of those are attainable if the investment in the athletic department and football team was genuine and maximized. As I have said before, I am all for any changes and I want to see this team at least get a conference championship. However, even if the house was cleaned, what is to say that the same approach with hiring occurs and we are just back as the same point in 5-7 years.
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Post by epx on Oct 11, 2024 14:39:10 GMT -5
What a diehard fan (me) wants: 1) a team that plays 4 quarters every game, 2) a head coach that inspires players to pursue excellence, 3) a team that is in the running every season for a conference championship and/or a playoff spot, 4) play-calling that is both creative and aggressive (not pitifully inefficient trick plays, but at the very least has more running plays than just between-the-tackles and inconsistent jet sweeps), 5) a Phoenix website that always has a football feature in the news thread, 6) a team that wins all the games it should win, fights ferociously in the all the games it can win, and once in a while wins a game it should not win (FBS or top-tier FCS whether CAA or other conference). What a diehard fan (me) actually expects currently: status quo. I haven't been this discouraged since the end of the 2016 season (2-9 overall, 1-7 conference), after which I refused to buy season tickets for 2017, then came Cignetti. I've seen programs like Western Carolina, UAlbany, Rhode Island make significant changes for the better, while watching the Phoenix struggle even in seasons when we had winning records (2021, 2022, 2023). Rant concluded. Go, Phoenix! Well Said.
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Post by eu96 on Oct 12, 2024 16:09:41 GMT -5
Got to be honest. Going 0-4 against so-so competition…all at home…is a fireable offense. Will he get canned..no. But let’s just say I hope TT has a good real estate agent on retainer.
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Post by eu96 on Oct 12, 2024 16:12:33 GMT -5
100 bucks says Folmar gets sh** canned on Monday however. Any takers?
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Post by fearthephoenix on Oct 12, 2024 16:46:02 GMT -5
100 bucks says Folmar gets sh** canned on Monday however. Any takers? It would be well deserved. Watched from home and just simply embarrassed at the performance
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