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Post by phightingphoenix1 on Nov 22, 2014 13:22:05 GMT -5
As the Phoenix are getting thrashed 31 - 7 with 8 minutes to go in the first half at JMU, I am left here to ponder...what does the future hold? I have to wonder, is the CAA that much better than the SoCon of a couple of years ago, or has Elon regressed to the point that have no hope at even being competitive in the conference? Even last year with Swepson, Elon was in most games. Is it coaching, players, culture? Poor recruiting in the past or ill-fit players for system Skrosky wants to implement?
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Post by phightingphoenix1 on Nov 22, 2014 13:24:21 GMT -5
UPDATE - 38 - 7 with 5:52 in the first half...
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Post by jpoteat on Nov 22, 2014 15:22:25 GMT -5
Just checked and it is now 59-14 JMU, with a little over 10 minutes left in the game. Not to add insult to injure, but Rhide Island just beat Towson 13-7, which means that Elon will finish dead last in the CAA. When was the last time Elon finished solely last in a conference? I expected them to get beat today, but not this bad.
To feed off of what phightingphoenix1posted, I believe that it is a combination of things as to why football is not producing anymore.
1) CAA is better than the SoCon and will be even better next year. This year I believe is a down year in the CAA compared to last years CAA Conference strength.
2) I just don't think Elon has been getting the type of caliber players over the past few years, that they had back during the Lembo years. I am not saying that it was Lembo and he was the reason Elon was successful. Rather it was the players Elon had back then. They had two of the best players to ever play at the FCS level, in Riddle and Hudgins. To have both of them at the same time is just unheard of. There was also other players during that time that may not have been as well known as them, but they did the little things right and got better. It was a team effort, everyone made everybody else better and the results showed. I am not saying that this will nto happen again at Elon, but it might take sometime. I mean look at the NAIA 80's title. Nothing great happened in football until the late 2000's after those titles. Maybe a few conference titles if that, but nothing on the caliber of making the FCS playoffs. That was over 30 years.
I want to believe that over time Elon will be competative in the CAA, I just don't seeing it being anytime soon. Someone made a good point in another thread, asking if Skrosky was as good of an OC as everyone thought he was? Or if it was just that he had two special QB's during his Elon & Ball St OC days. I find myself wondering if Elon should have stayed in the SoCon and at least won a few conference titles, won some FCS playoff games, been a playoof team year in and year out, established themselves as the team to beat in the SoCon and then made the jump to a conference like CAA.
There is nothing wrong with being top dog in a weaker conference like the SoCon compared to the CAA. Nothing wrong with it at all. You just have to make sure that you are the top dog in a weaker conference, before you jump to a better conference. App and GSU didn't jump to the FBS level after having 2-3 bad years in the SoCon. They established themselves for years as two of the best teams in the conference, before moving up. Elon wasn't even a contender before they decided to jump to a better confenrence. No surpise that they are in dead last place at 0-9 in the CAA, on the last week of the regular season.
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Post by whoanellie on Nov 22, 2014 17:21:13 GMT -5
winning vs whining: it has been well documented on this forum on our former success and current failures. The bottom line is our foot ball program just does not measure up on the field of play.Our last 2 seasons We are 3-21 three and twenty-one Really this type of production is open to all scrutiny. Everything is open to inspection. If this is our goal E-L-Omg-N "We just want your money and don't care" We need a celebrity coach with name recognition that will give us a buzz and get this thing turned around. d**n I really like Rich. But I do not see him surviving another season. I repeat. Losing opens up everything to scrutiny.
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Post by homer on Nov 22, 2014 19:30:19 GMT -5
Title of this thread is "looking into the future." All I'm seeing is pissing and moaning about the past.
If what I'm hearing is accurate, Skrosky inherited a mess. A recruiting nightmare. A team is disarray that quit a lot last year. Take that team, throw them into a blistering schedule and this is what you get. In fact, it's what everyone here expected.
There is youth on this team. The offense will be more dynamic next year, and it starts with a more mature O line. With a more productive offense, pressure on the D will ease. Shooting for .500 is a good goal for 2015. It will be a challenge, but imminently attainable.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Nov 22, 2014 19:53:19 GMT -5
Just checked and it is now 59-14 JMU, with a little over 10 minutes left in the game. Not to add insult to injure, but Rhide Island just beat Towson 13-7, which means that Elon will finish dead last in the CAA. When was the last time Elon finished solely last in a conference? I expected them to get beat today, but not this bad. To feed off of what phightingphoenix1posted, I believe that it is a combination of things as to why football is not producing anymore. 1) CAA is better than the SoCon and will be even better next year. This year I believe is a down year in the CAA compared to last years CAA Conference strength. 2) I just don't think Elon has been getting the type of caliber players over the past few years, that they had back during the Lembo years. I am not saying that it was Lembo and he was the reason Elon was successful. Rather it was the players Elon had back then. They had two of the best players to ever play at the FCS level, in Riddle and Hudgins. To have both of them at the same time is just unheard of. There was also other players during that time that may not have been as well known as them, but they did the little things right and got better. It was a team effort, everyone made everybody else better and the results showed. I am not saying that this will nto happen again at Elon, but it might take sometime. I mean look at the NAIA 80's title. Nothing great happened in football until the late 2000's after those titles. Maybe a few conference titles if that, but nothing on the caliber of making the FCS playoffs. That was over 30 years. I want to believe that over time Elon will be competative in the CAA, I just don't seeing it being anytime soon. Someone made a good point in another thread, asking if Skrosky was as good of an OC as everyone thought he was? Or if it was just that he had two special QB's during his Elon & Ball St OC days. I find myself wondering if Elon should have stayed in the SoCon and at least won a few conference titles, won some FCS playoff games, been a playoof team year in and year out, established themselves as the team to beat in the SoCon and then made the jump to a conference like CAA. There is nothing wrong with being top dog in a weaker conference like the SoCon compared to the CAA. Nothing wrong with it at all. You just have to make sure that you are the top dog in a weaker conference, before you jump to a better conference. App and GSU didn't jump to the FBS level after having 2-3 bad years in the SoCon. They established themselves for years as two of the best teams in the conference, before moving up. Elon wasn't even a contender before they decided to jump to a better confenrence. No surpise that they are in dead last place at 0-9 in the CAA, on the last week of the regular season. I agree with most of your post, but football is not the only sport at Elon. Because Elon football is not ready the other sports don't get to play at a different level? Let's face it, if Elon football was the deciding factor, Elon would still be in the SAC 8. They were average at best leading up to the move to D1 and not that much better during the Big South years. I had hopes coming into the season they would steal a win or two in conference, but just didn't happen. While the offense was definitely a major problem, there were a lot of cases where they seemed to be hamstringed by conservative and predictable playcalling. Too many screen passes out of the backfield or 5 yard slants on 3rd and long. Having a healthier and bigger backfield next year could help, but still a long way to go. I think it's another 2-3 years before we see a .500 football team. Hope I'm wrong. Go Phoenix!
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Post by trianglephan on Nov 22, 2014 20:11:45 GMT -5
Can someone explain why Skrosky did not give Loughery a chance in today's blowout? Not on the injury report. When season is a complete loss, why not give him a chance?
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Post by homer on Nov 22, 2014 20:30:35 GMT -5
Can someone explain why Skrosky did not give Loughery a chance in today's blowout? Not on the injury report. When season is a complete loss, why not give him a chance? Only thing I can think of is Skrosky is sending a message. And it's not a good one.
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Post by fc4life on Nov 22, 2014 20:38:58 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing.
Pathetic display today.
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Post by trianglephan on Nov 22, 2014 21:09:41 GMT -5
Homer, you are probably right although I just don't understand the logic. Skrosky seemed willing to give almost all underclassmen chance to play and get experience - except for Loughery. Three years in program deserved better. Guess Coach just wanted to get his fifth year senior a little more experience in his last game. Look for Loughry to transfer.
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Post by fc4life on Nov 22, 2014 21:29:00 GMT -5
Well, if Loughery was not good enough to beat out Quinn this season.. Chew on that.
I hope all those players who laid down this week are gone. Today's effort was pathetic. Run them off.
This quote is very telling. The kids quit and Rich knows it.
"It was disappointing from the get-go," said Elon head coach Rich Skrosky. "We've been relatively competitive all the way through. That first half was really disappointing. We'll move forward. I know what this place will be. It's too good of a place not to get it back to where we had it when I was here from 2006-10."
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Post by homer on Nov 22, 2014 22:41:15 GMT -5
Homer, you are probably right although I just don't understand the logic. Skrosky seemed willing to give almost all underclassmen chance to play and get experience - except for Loughery. Three years in program deserved better. Guess Coach just wanted to get his fifth year senior a little more experience in his last game. Look for Loughry to transfer. It's an awfully big risk to encourage Loughery to transfer (yet that's what it looks like this season has been). That would leave a soph walkon, a redshirt freshman and a true freshman as your QB options next year. Extremely thin. Unless... You're bringing in a transfer. But I haven't heard a peep about that. Even if you plan on one of the frosh to be the starter, wouldn't you want Loughery as a backup?
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Post by fc4life on Nov 22, 2014 22:56:43 GMT -5
The four scholarship QB recruits that Swepson brought in have not produced. This is one of the reasons we are where we are.
Smith - MD transfer - never played outside of some early mop up action.
Loughery- Three years in - Yet to do anything. Still has a chance next year.
Rice - Moved to WR - No longer with program.
Vasey - Moved to WR - Transferred to Assumption D -II.
These are massive misses at the FCS level.
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Post by trianglephan on Nov 22, 2014 23:32:24 GMT -5
Homer, you are probably right although I just don't understand the logic. Skrosky seemed willing to give almost all underclassmen chance to play and get experience - except for Loughery. Three years in program deserved better. Guess Coach just wanted to get his fifth year senior a little more experience in his last game. Look for Loughry to transfer. It's an awfully big risk to encourage Loughery to transfer (yet that's what it looks like this season has been). That would leave a soph walkon, a redshirt freshman and a true freshman as your QB options next year. Extremely thin. Unless... You're bringing in a transfer. But I haven't heard a peep about that. Even if you plan on one of the frosh to be the starter, wouldn't you want Loughery as a backup? Homer, definitely agree. Seems like a no-brainer to give your rs-soph backup more reps/experience in a meaningless game. Makes no sense unless he has already written him off.
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Post by whoanellie on Nov 23, 2014 5:42:18 GMT -5
Can someone explain why Skrosky did not give Loughery a chance in today's blowout? Not on the injury report. When season is a complete loss, why not give him a chance? I posed that question after the Richmond game. Keeping Quinn lost a lot of points with me.
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