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Post by epx on Apr 5, 2022 19:52:56 GMT -5
Takayo Siddle's (UNCW) base salary is $375,000 plus non performance increases of 25,000, 50,000, 75,000 and 100,000 each successive year after 2020. So this year his base plus guaranteed money is $400K. There are other bonuses, but they're not listed. 2024 salary - $475,000
College of Charleston's previous coach earned $651,000
UNCC head coach base salary - $450,000
Martin Inglesby 2020 salary $432,000
I promise Schrage didn't sniff more than $275k.
Elon has much of what it takes to make a big splash in the Mid Major arena. But it won't be cheap. Ante up or go back to the Big South Conference!
Oh and Roy Williams made $5.97M in 2020.
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Post by epx on Apr 5, 2022 20:05:56 GMT -5
The good news is we won't have to pay out a big severance to Shrage when he is fired in 2023. But I'm with you all, no more bullsh!+ hires. Open the wallet, stop screwing around!!! As for Blank, He's had one successful hire since he came here. Be worth YOUR salary Mr. Blank or step aside!
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Post by elonlax01 on Apr 5, 2022 20:47:57 GMT -5
I think I heard Schrage's salary was $330K
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Post by phoenix15 on Apr 5, 2022 20:56:01 GMT -5
Just takes a quick google search to find Elon’s tax report and highest earners. Schrage after bonus was around $330k. Only thing more absurd is that Elon was Paying Matheny $340k with a bonus as recent as 2020. Blank should be fired on the spot for ever handing out that contract to him.
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Post by elonlax01 on Apr 6, 2022 6:13:23 GMT -5
It is time to think about this problem differently. Success of MBB can positively impact admissions. Unfortunately, this is really the only sport that can have this kind of impact. It will be interesting to see how long this takes. If feels like everyday that passes, puts the new coach into a deeper hole regarding retention of the current players and recruitment.
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Post by pheonixfan17 on Apr 6, 2022 7:48:16 GMT -5
This is a school issue. We just won 10 games and coach Schrage is now at Duke. That tells you that he can for sure coach if the best program in the country wants him. Elon doesn’t really care about being good at any sports and it shows. We’re the only CAA school with literally no success really in any sport at all. We care about study abroad and other programs and that’s fine. But we have to adjust our expectations because the bottom line is that our basketball job is a bottom 3 job in the CAA. You don’t have the resources to consistently succeed! It comes a time where we have to stop saying man this coach is bad and this coach is bad. Time to look in the mirror and address the true problem which is just the schools culture. Athletics is not the focal point of the school. Frats, Academics, the arts, study abroad amongst other things are the Eon staples, sports just isn’t.
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Post by mtdewslushie on Apr 6, 2022 8:47:51 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts. Succeeding in academics etc and sports are not (or shouldn't be) mutually exclusive. We have an athletic department and its job is to focus primarily on sports excellence and not the other stuff. For whatever reason, that job is not getting done successfully. My guess is it's not being prioritized. It should be. Best marketing tool a school has for prospective students AND engagement of alums / community.
I don't agree that it's a resources problem. We have beautiful facilities that are continuing to be improved. New, beautiful basketball arena. Great football stadium. Improving baseball complex. Great academics. I see no valid reason Elon coaches should not be able to recruit to this school, and then provide adequate training with the resources at hand. Take a look at some of the smaller schools making noise in various sports and the resources they have to work with.
This strikes me as a hiring problem and a setting a standard of expectations problem. Maybe to some degree, a compensating success of coaches problem (but that usually is seen more in retention). There seems to be no demand/urgency/expectation of excellence. Probably starts from the top down. Strive for excellence in the campus and academics, but also in sports. Why would you hold it to a lesser standard?
It's my opinion that this is the root of the problem and everything else is noise.
On the topic at hand, I wish Schrage the best but did not see him put forth a team that looked well coached or at least displayed great effort. Minimal improvement with players year over year. I do not think he is a head coach, probably a great assistant though. He was a bad hire plain and simple. The interviewing process needs to give us the best chance that the next one will be a good hire. I have minimal confidence. Wish I could say otherwise.
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Post by phoenix15 on Apr 6, 2022 9:09:05 GMT -5
If Elon decides to not go with Frank Haith(still my favorite option), I would recommend they look at a head coach who has exceeded at a lower D2/3 level rather than go the up-and-coming assistant route. One name caught my eye: Josh Merkel from Randolph Macon. He's had a ton of success at R-M, including winning the D3 championship this past year. He's relatively young and has D-1 assistant coaching experience at EKU and a grad assistant under Beilein at WVU. Why take a gamble on an assistant, when you can go out and get someone who can clearly coach like Merkel? Plus, any D-1 program is going to have a significantly higher budget than a D-3 school so that shouldn't be an issue for him.
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Post by phoenix15 on Apr 6, 2022 9:20:24 GMT -5
This is a school issue. We just won 10 games and coach Schrage is now at Duke. That tells you that he can for sure coach if the best program in the country wants him. Elon doesn’t really care about being good at any sports and it shows. We’re the only CAA school with literally no success really in any sport at all. We care about study abroad and other programs and that’s fine. But we have to adjust our expectations because the bottom line is that our basketball job is a bottom 3 job in the CAA. You don’t have the resources to consistently succeed! It comes a time where we have to stop saying man this coach is bad and this coach is bad. Time to look in the mirror and address the true problem which is just the schools culture. Athletics is not the focal point of the school. Frats, Academics, the arts, study abroad amongst other things are the Eon staples, sports just isn’t. Schrage did nothing to prove that he can coach. He improved recruiting, but failed to improve season by season. He is not cut out to be a head coach. I don't disagree with your second point however. Elon Athletics needs either a culture change (bye bye Blank) and more investment by Leadership.
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Post by euphoenix99 on Apr 6, 2022 10:00:21 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts. Succeeding in academics etc and sports are not (or shouldn't be) mutually exclusive. We have an athletic department and its job is to focus primarily on sports excellence and not the other stuff. For whatever reason, that job is not getting done successfully. My guess is it's not being prioritized. It should be. Best marketing tool a school has for prospective students AND engagement of alums / community. I don't agree that it's a resources problem. We have beautiful facilities that are continuing to be improved. New, beautiful basketball arena. Great football stadium. Improving baseball complex. Great academics. I see no valid reason Elon coaches should not be able to recruit to this school, and then provide adequate training with the resources at hand. Take a look at some of the smaller schools making noise in various sports and the resources they have to work with. This strikes me as a hiring problem and a setting a standard of expectations problem. Maybe to some degree, a compensating success of coaches problem (but that usually is seen more in retention). There seems to be no demand/urgency/expectation of excellence. Probably starts from the top down. Strive for excellence in the campus and academics, but also in sports. Why would you hold it to a lesser standard? It's my opinion that this is the root of the problem and everything else is noise. On the topic at hand, I wish Schrage the best but did not see him put forth a team that looked well coached or at least displayed great effort. Minimal improvement with players year over year. I do not think he is a head coach, probably a great assistant though. He was a bad hire plain and simple. The interviewing process needs to give us the best chance that the next one will be a good hire. I have minimal confidence. Wish I could say otherwise. This is an excellent post. The school does so many things really well, so it's frustrating to watch athletics struggle to build or maintain any kind of success year after year. There clearly is a focus on providing top notch facilities for all of the programs, which is needed to be successful. Unfortunately, despite those great facilities, most programs are mired in mediocrity. We have a couple of programs breakout occasionally, but ultimately fall right back to the middle. We'll see if anything has changed with this hiring process. Go Phoenix!
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Post by pheonixfan17 on Apr 6, 2022 10:50:01 GMT -5
Let me be clear when I say resources I mean more of a budget, more of a push to get students to games, etc. The facilities are beautiful, but it’s like the outer shell of our athletics that covers up the inside of what’s going on. From the outside view it’s that we’re hiring the wrong coaches, but from inside the school doesn’t care about being really good in athletics. I will say if anyone knows how to succeed at a school like Elon it won’t be a HM assistant coach because they come from schools that have resources and you won’t get that here. Jonathan Holmes knows what it takes to win at a program like Elon, as he did at W&M.
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Post by EC90 on Apr 6, 2022 11:42:43 GMT -5
I all for giving Frank a look if he's interested. Elon, with all the facility upgrades over the past decade should be competing for CAA Championships on a consistent basis.
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Post by phancyphoenix on Apr 6, 2022 13:21:12 GMT -5
Elon doesn't care about competing in athletics like the university cares about competing and cementing itself as a top national university. The move to the CAA had very little to do with athletics. The school wanted to see its name on the ESPN bottom line next to William & Mary, Northeastern, and Hofstra and not Western Carolina and UNC Greensboro. This is why Curt Cignetti is at James Madison and why Mike Schrage just left a head coaching job in a brand new area on the table for an assistant coaching job at Duke.
When it's clear the school is not willing to devote the resources to really compete, what's the point? They'd rather put $5 million into developing the Elon Poll than the men's basketball program.
All that being said, St. Peter's just went to the Elite 8 with a budget probably half Elon's, and a facility that makes Alumni Gym look like the Taj Mahal. So look on the brightside!
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Post by elonpride on Apr 6, 2022 16:13:22 GMT -5
I would completely welcome Frank Haith…a coach who has spent his entire HC career in D1 with a lifetime record well over 100 games over .500. That would be sweet to welcome back and alumnus (don’t really care about the NCAA infractions with Mizzou at the moment).
Flip side of the coin….man St Peters went from darlings to completely gutted. Coach left, understandably to HC his alma mater Seton Hall….and top 3 players entered the portal.
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Post by elonhoops4life on Apr 6, 2022 16:58:28 GMT -5
Forget Frank Haith. I went to school with him at Western Alamance and I would be OK with it but let’s face it - it’s not going to happen -No Chance….. I vote we make Coach Jonathan Holmes the interim head coach. Give him a season to see what he can do. What do we have to lose. Maybe by doing this we minimize the transfers. Quite honestly I am stunned 2 or 3 didn’t enter the portal today. Maybe we retain Graham and Burford and Mackintosh. The guy did a great job at William & Mary. He is young and relates well with the players. Give him a chance. Maybe he was just as frustrated as we all are. Maybe he has ideas to turn things around. Just saying…. I would not be disappointed if that happened and would actually welcome it.
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